"Street Hire" Civilian Stats @ Big 3
02-29-2016 | 11:42 AM
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Funny thing indeed. Also funny how you immediately jump on the defensive when I'm simply stating the facts. No blame was being assigned, like I said before, it is what it is.
And what it is is that American has largely decided to ignore the immense pool of highly qualified candidates out there and focus instead on a different pool of candidates entirely. And while I'm sure that 2000 hours of flying CAP missions over Durka-Durkistan directly relates to skills and abilities in the 121 world, I'm equally certain that 5000, 7500 or 10,000 hours of flying an Airbus or Boieng incident free into LGA or ORD would also translate well into a well-rounded candidate.
And that's perfectly fine. Again. It is what it is, and nobody here is angry or bitter or seeking blame for percieved shortcomings. Everyone knows you zoomies are the best of the best of the best of the best (of the best), and you said it yourself; these large corporations, they certainly know how to hire the best (of the best) employees.
The OP asked a question. I provided an answer. You took offense to it. And you still didn't answer my question.
And what it is is that American has largely decided to ignore the immense pool of highly qualified candidates out there and focus instead on a different pool of candidates entirely. And while I'm sure that 2000 hours of flying CAP missions over Durka-Durkistan directly relates to skills and abilities in the 121 world, I'm equally certain that 5000, 7500 or 10,000 hours of flying an Airbus or Boieng incident free into LGA or ORD would also translate well into a well-rounded candidate.
And that's perfectly fine. Again. It is what it is, and nobody here is angry or bitter or seeking blame for percieved shortcomings. Everyone knows you zoomies are the best of the best of the best of the best (of the best), and you said it yourself; these large corporations, they certainly know how to hire the best (of the best) employees.
The OP asked a question. I provided an answer. You took offense to it. And you still didn't answer my question.
Good luck to all. And much more importantly, remember you make your own luck.
02-29-2016 | 01:05 PM
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Agreed!
02-29-2016 | 02:47 PM
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I'm sure that 2000 hours of flying CAP missions over Durka-Turkistan directly relates to skills and abilities in the 121 world, I'm equally certain that 5000, 7500 or 10,000 hours of flying an Airbus or Boieng incident free into LGA or ORD would also translate well into a well-rounded candidate.
02-29-2016 | 02:48 PM
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Other than a brief, legendary period in the 60's there's always been way more qualified applicants than jobs. Today is no exception, notwithstanding rumors of a shortage. The civilian OTS candidate is one of thousands competing for a few slots per month. I think that's all the "whiners" are trying to say. Not everyone's gonna make it to a legacy.
02-29-2016 | 03:01 PM
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At the most basic, technical level, yes you're correct. Anyone NOT a flow is "technically" OTS. However, that's not at all how the term is used or understood.
Nobody said military are guaranteed a job, but the indisputable fact remains that they DO get invited to interview far faster than a regular non-mil candidate, and they DO get preferential treatment during the entire process over a regular civilian.
Just read the "Who's Been Hired" thread. Orleans any of the countless Facebook groups. Countless mil pilots getting a shot at the majors with only a few thousand hours, while many more equally qualified, if not more so, regular civilian pilots get ignored. Thousands of hours of PIC, widebody, passenger ops, etc etc totally ignored while any F16 pilot with low 4 digit flight time gets an interview.
This gist of this thread is who's getting hired at what legacy and who's not in a "special preferences" group.
American has made it very difficult for non-Mil, non-flow pilots to get on board. Not impossible, but incredibly unlikely.
Delta, a little bit easier, but still very difficult to get that phone call.
But for guys like me, veteran (not a pilot) brought up through the civilian ranks working through various regionals, ACMI trash haulers, LCC's and ULCC's, the ONLY Legacy that's giving us "off the street" guys a fair shot seems to be United.
Nobody said military are guaranteed a job, but the indisputable fact remains that they DO get invited to interview far faster than a regular non-mil candidate, and they DO get preferential treatment during the entire process over a regular civilian.
Just read the "Who's Been Hired" thread. Orleans any of the countless Facebook groups. Countless mil pilots getting a shot at the majors with only a few thousand hours, while many more equally qualified, if not more so, regular civilian pilots get ignored. Thousands of hours of PIC, widebody, passenger ops, etc etc totally ignored while any F16 pilot with low 4 digit flight time gets an interview.
This gist of this thread is who's getting hired at what legacy and who's not in a "special preferences" group.
American has made it very difficult for non-Mil, non-flow pilots to get on board. Not impossible, but incredibly unlikely.
Delta, a little bit easier, but still very difficult to get that phone call.
But for guys like me, veteran (not a pilot) brought up through the civilian ranks working through various regionals, ACMI trash haulers, LCC's and ULCC's, the ONLY Legacy that's giving us "off the street" guys a fair shot seems to be United.
02-29-2016 | 03:45 PM
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