"Street Hire" Civilian Stats @ Big 3
03-01-2016 | 08:31 AM
#71
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You don't just walk into the AF Reserve office and say, "I'll take one pilot slot, please!"
This is ignorant. MANY pure civvies would have loved to go military, but couldn't for one of several reasons. This notion that it's always a civilian guy's fault for not joining is absurd.
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03-01-2016 | 08:37 AM
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Because most of us are over 32, can't pass the military medical (asthma, eyes, flat feet, small disqualifying issues...), or we don't make the grade on the resume, or we don't know the right people in the right unit....
You don't just walk into the AF Reserve office and say, "I'll take one pilot slot, please!" T
This is ignorant. MANY pure civvies would have loved to go military, but couldn't for one of several reasons. This notion that it's always a civilian guy's fault for not joining is absurd.
You don't just walk into the AF Reserve office and say, "I'll take one pilot slot, please!" T
This is ignorant. MANY pure civvies would have loved to go military, but couldn't for one of several reasons. This notion that it's always a civilian guy's fault for not joining is absurd.
03-01-2016 | 09:02 AM
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Sorry I assumed you meant pilot slots on the AirlinePilotForums while discussing military versus civilian pilots....
I have no idea what you're getting at about networking.
03-01-2016 | 09:41 AM
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As for your idea to join a guard unit to fly a desk just so you can hope to rub elbows with someone who can write you a letter sometime later down the road, well... That's a terrible idea and and poor use of ones time or energies. Attending a job fair would be far more beneficial networking event.
03-01-2016 | 10:25 AM
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Actually, you specifically mentioned pilot slots when you said there were
One doesn't join the guard for a "mechanic slot" or "supply clerk" slot. Those are called jobs.
As for your idea to join a guard unit to fly a desk just so you can hope to rub elbows with someone who can write you a letter sometime later down the road, well... That's a terrible idea and and poor use of ones time or energies. Attending a job fair would be far more beneficial networking event.
One doesn't join the guard for a "mechanic slot" or "supply clerk" slot. Those are called jobs.
As for your idea to join a guard unit to fly a desk just so you can hope to rub elbows with someone who can write you a letter sometime later down the road, well... That's a terrible idea and and poor use of ones time or energies. Attending a job fair would be far more beneficial networking event.
'Slot' is a slang term for a position. https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/i...et-in-the-army (First one I found; there were a metric gringoton of google hits for guard/reserve slot that had zero to do with being a pilot)
But thanks for letting me know that 'slot' only refers to pilot jobs; I'll have to tell the Army 92Y that he can't use the term 'slot' to refer to anything other than pilot positions. Those damned unit supply specialists.
03-01-2016 | 10:33 AM
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JFC. Let me guess: you have zero Guard/Reserve time, nor have ever applied for a job there and now you are telling me, someone who spent a decade in the Guard/Reserve, what 'slot' means.
'Slot' is a slang term for a position. https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/i...et-in-the-army (First one I found; there were a metric gringoton of google hits for guard/reserve slot that had zero to do with being a pilot)
But thanks for letting me know that 'slot' only refers to pilot jobs; I'll have to tell the Army 92Y that he can't use the term 'slot' to refer to anything other than pilot positions. Those damned unit supply specialists.
'Slot' is a slang term for a position. https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/i...et-in-the-army (First one I found; there were a metric gringoton of google hits for guard/reserve slot that had zero to do with being a pilot)
But thanks for letting me know that 'slot' only refers to pilot jobs; I'll have to tell the Army 92Y that he can't use the term 'slot' to refer to anything other than pilot positions. Those damned unit supply specialists.
Anyone would logically conclude on a PILOT FORUM while discussing MILITARY PILOTS that when you mention AIR FORCE SLOTS you meant PILOT.
So chill the flip out, guardsman.
03-01-2016 | 10:37 AM
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JFC. Let me guess: you have zero Guard/Reserve time, nor have ever applied for a job there and now you are telling me, someone who spent a decade in the Guard/Reserve, what 'slot' means.
'Slot' is a slang term for a position. https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/i...et-in-the-army (First one I found; there were a metric gringoton of google hits for guard/reserve slot that had zero to do with being a pilot)
But thanks for letting me know that 'slot' only refers to pilot jobs; I'll have to tell the Army 92Y that he can't use the term 'slot' to refer to anything other than pilot positions. Those damned unit supply specialists.
'Slot' is a slang term for a position. https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/i...et-in-the-army (First one I found; there were a metric gringoton of google hits for guard/reserve slot that had zero to do with being a pilot)
But thanks for letting me know that 'slot' only refers to pilot jobs; I'll have to tell the Army 92Y that he can't use the term 'slot' to refer to anything other than pilot positions. Those damned unit supply specialists.
As mentioned earlier, you come on an aviation message board, on a civilian/mil thread, and say "Join the Guard! There's plenty of slots available!"
We were all born at night, but it wasn't last night. YOU know what you implied, WE know what you implied, but sure, go ahead and try to tell us now that you really meant "supply clerk slot" and not "pilot slot".
Good luck with that angle. Still a terrible idea.
Why? Because at the end of the day, even with all your "networking", when it comes time to fill out the "military sorties flown" you'll still have to put in "zero".
And how does THAT differentiate you from any any other veteran, enlisted or non-flying officer?
It doesn't.
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03-01-2016 | 10:46 AM
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I'm sure SOMEONE is going to say that "well, all the best candidates are take and that's why it seems more are failing the HPI blah blah blah blah blah......." I don't buy that. I also thought that with the switch from CV to BK in charge, some parameters and criteria were altered/changed.
Because we ALL KNOW "that guy/those guys", you know, "THAT GUY/THOSE GUYS" that were hired early on in 2013 that was OTS and somehow got through it and everyone is scratching their head.
Anybody got any of the recent stats on HPI pass/fail? Seems I've heard it's trended as high as a 50/50 split but no clue.
And although it's FACT that UAL took a sampling of UCH pilots and gave them the HPI to determine the parameters and bounds to determine a successful candidate, it's hypotholated/speculatized that some get a "sliding scale".
The rest of you b1tching about a guard "slot", YOU'RE ON GUARD!!!!!!!!!!
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03-01-2016 | 11:13 AM
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Hogan data?
Just curious, can anyone comment, factually, on what the Hogan is screening for? I know a couple of people who did not pass the Hogan….both very normal military pilots with not much in common between them.
IOW, what are we (UAL) looking for?
IOW, what are we (UAL) looking for?
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