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dudeskibro 03-01-2016 04:32 PM


Originally Posted by VegassBus (Post 2079884)
That's impressive that SWA F/Os can make a quarter of a million a year. Precisely why our bs min day of 4 hours needs to be replaced by solid trip rigs.

We are so far behind at Spirit that it's pretty hopeless. I'm pretty angry at myself for not trying to leave sooner. Oh well, I may never get the call so best I can do is update update update and work on making this place better in the meantime


I too regret not applying earlier, but I'm not angry. We've made decisions that we thought were in our best interest and circumstances have changed.

I don't want you to be upset at yourself, you'll be happy when you get to a legacy and life will go on. Best wishes for a call soon.

gringo 03-01-2016 04:42 PM


Originally Posted by VegassBus (Post 2079884)
I'm pretty angry at myself for not trying to leave sooner.

Don't beat yourself up too hard; morale and expectations around here were pretty high last year, right up to the point where the union released the company's proposal in December. It was that moment we all realized we've been duped. Prior to that there wasn't any reason not to think this place could have made a great home for the rest of our careers.

full of luv 03-01-2016 07:18 PM


Originally Posted by gringo (Post 2079905)
Don't beat yourself up too hard; morale and expectations around here were pretty high last year, right up to the point where the union released the company's proposal in December. It was that moment we all realized we've been duped. Prior to that there wasn't any reason not to think this place could have made a great home for the rest of our careers.

Besides... right now you have the quid to look forward to!

gringo 03-01-2016 07:47 PM


Originally Posted by full of luv (Post 2080050)
Besides... right now you have the quid to look forward to!

Exactly right!!

High fives all around!!

Eagle06 03-02-2016 11:43 AM

I know 3, 4, and 8 year captains leaving or trying to leave Spirit. All are under 35.

Learflyer 03-02-2016 11:56 AM

Wow. Airbus captains under age 35. My oh my have things changed since I got in in early 90's. Glad there's more opportunity now.


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fishforfun 03-02-2016 12:05 PM


Originally Posted by Learflyer (Post 2080499)
Wow. Airbus captains under age 35. My oh my have things changed since I got in in early 90's. Glad there's more opportunity now.


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Except they are paid FO rates.

Eagle06 03-02-2016 12:07 PM

Spirit has captains under 30. Some of whom have been captains for over two years. In the years to come the legacies will likely have mid 30's 73/320 captains too.

Vito 03-02-2016 12:13 PM

To the OP,
Don't forget to factor in retirement benefits into your calculus. During 2004-2007 when UPS was hiring, I know of at least 3 16year plus Captains from USAir and Northwest that left. I know it was a different time, but these experienced pilots cited the retirement benefit at UPS was a lot better than if they stayed as Captains at their respective airlines..I've flown with all 3 of them recently and they said that even in hindsight they're still better off because of the retirement plan. They were all in their early to mid 40's age wise.

VegassBus 03-02-2016 01:01 PM


Originally Posted by Vito (Post 2080508)
To the OP,
Don't forget to factor in retirement benefits into your calculus. During 2004-2007 when UPS was hiring, I know of at least 3 16year plus Captains from USAir and Northwest that left. I know it was a different time, but these experienced pilots cited the retirement benefit at UPS was a lot better than if they stayed as Captains at their respective airlines..I've flown with all 3 of them recently and they said that even in hindsight they're still better off because of the retirement plan. They were all in their early to mid 40's age wise.

Interesting. Yeah if I do make the move hopefully it's the last. Spirits my third. Don't get me wrong, I enjoy the job and have been very fortunate to upgrade very quickly but the money just isn't here and in not sure it will ever be.

I don't need to be the highest paid but it needs to be close. ULCCs can absolutely afford it without screwing up their precious CASM


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