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Originally Posted by Andy (Post 2079397)

Look at new student/private/commercial/ATP certificates issued over the last decade. The pipeline of new pilots looks bleak right now which means airlines are going to try to hire as many qualified pilots as they can get their hands on.

The hiring at legacies over the last four years has turned the regionals from well staffed to train wrecks. And the hiring at legacies during that time is only enough to meet retirements plus minor growth. Legacy retirements alone require ~2000 new hires per year.

Let's not forget that all airlines - legacies, LCCs, and regionals are fishing from the same pond of pilot candidates. The legacies are able to offer better 'bait' (pay, QOL) than LCCs and regionals. This has already started killing the regionals. I expect the same to happen to LCCs, as I don't think that they can compete against the legacies for a smaller pilot pool.

We'll either see a huge surge in new pilot certificates which will meet demand for pilots or the LCCs will start having problems recruiting and retaining pilots within the next few years.

I'll believe it when I see it

I'm 35, have a 4 year Degree, over 8,000hrs, 1,000 TPIC in an Airbus, no busted rides, plenty of Volunteering, a handful of Job fairs and nothing.

All the LCC have to do is pay industry wages. They can still be Low cost and ultra low cost with industry compensated pilots. They all will pay they just haven't had to yet since people keep showing up even if it is the worst of the worst.

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Originally Posted by VegassBus (Post 2079402)

My management has nothing to do with what I think I should be paid. What they think and what I think is completely different.

I apologize. I spoke incorrectly. I said bailout, I don't know why I said that, I meant Bankrputcy.......

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This is a HUGELY capital intensive industry. There have been more LCC bankruptcies than legacy bankruptcies.

The difference is that LCCs usually file Chap 7 after initially filing Chap 11 because they can't find enough debtor in possession (DIP) financing to keep the doors open. Legacies, on the other hand, can usually find enough DIP financing to reorganize under Chap 11.
Let me rattle off a few names: Eos, Maxjet, Skybus, ATA, Independence, Midway. I'm sure I missed a few.

If you look at Virgin America's history, the investors had to do multiple restructurings in order to get the company profitable - equity injections, lease renegotiations, etc. If VX had been a public company, those restructurings would have had to take place in Chap 11.

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Originally Posted by VegassBus (Post 2079406)

I'll believe it when I see it

I'm 35, have a 4 year Degree, over 8,000hrs, 1,000 TPIC in an Airbus, no busted rides, plenty of Volunteering, a handful of Job fairs and nothing.

Have you spent a few hundred bucks at Cage, Emerald, etc to find out why you aren't getting interviews?

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Originally Posted by Andy (Post 2079418)

Have you spent a few hundred bucks at Cage, Emerald, etc to find out why you aren't getting interviews?

Negative.

I'll look into it, thanks

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Originally Posted by VegassBus (Post 2079420)

Negative.

I'll look into it, thanks

It may end up being the best money you've ever spent. You sound very well qualified; there may be something you're doing/not doing that they will find.

I consider the money I spent on interview prep to be some of the best spent money I've done. I have no ties to any interview consultants; just recommending it because we all can be blind to stuff that ends up being a huge hindrance to getting hired.

Good luck to ya.

I was a G4 captain (7years) and left for one of the big 4. I'm very glad I did. My schedule is MUCH better I will make the same amount of money in 3 years not to mention better retirement and benefits.

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Originally Posted by Andy (Post 2079418)

Have you spent a few hundred bucks at Cage, Emerald, etc to find out why you aren't getting interviews?

He's probably doing everything right.

http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/major/93656-street-hire-civilian-stats-big-3-a.html

Not saying throw a pity party, just accept that right now if you're civilian, non-flow-through, it's really tough to get the call. Maybe in a few years barring any industry shocks things will loosen up.

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Originally Posted by VegassBus (Post 2079406)

I'll believe it when I see it

I'm 35, have a 4 year Degree, over 8,000hrs, 1,000 TPIC in an Airbus, no busted rides, plenty of Volunteering, a handful of Job fairs and nothing.

LOL you have plenty of volunteering, you make it sound like a box to check.

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Originally Posted by FirstClass (Post 2079436)

LOL you have plenty of volunteering, you make it sound like a box to check.

If you don't know that it is a very real "box" then you've been out of the game a while.