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03-12-2016, 07:38 PM
#41
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Originally Posted by 3GRNDWN
Per United's info sheet they were handing out at the conference, United expects to hire 800-900 pilots in 2016, as well as that many in the years to follow. The most interesting fact stated on United's "Pilot Hiring Update" is as follows:
"United will retire approximately 2,500 pilots in the next five years, over 4,900 pilots in the next ten years, 8,300 in the next fifteen years, and nearly its entire seniority list in the next twenty years."
"United will retire approximately 2,500 pilots in the next five years, over 4,900 pilots in the next ten years, 8,300 in the next fifteen years, and nearly its entire seniority list in the next twenty years."
5 years - 2,832
10 years - 7,518
That's 2,600 more retirements than UA in the next 10 years.
Here's a crazy, and hidden, stat - AA's retirements, even with early out retirements, are increasing in 2018 and from 2021 through 2024(last year available to check). Why? Because enough flow throughs, and some recallees, are old enough to replace the early out retirees in those years so the net number is increasing.
Rough wag for AA's 15 yr retirement data -
15 yrs -
10,000 - (using Tallflyer's data for years 11-15 and adding that to the APA contract comparison)
10,800 - using a bar graph retirement chart from the SLI hearings.
Last edited by Sliceback; 03-12-2016 at 07:41 PM. Reason: deleted a sentence
03-12-2016, 07:42 PM
#42
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Originally Posted by Sliceback
For the post above about AA retirements -
5 years - 2,832
10 years - 7,518
That's 2,600 more retirements than UA in the next 10 years.
AA's 10 year retirement percentage is about 57%. UA's is about 47%.
Here's a crazy, and hidden, stat - AA's retirements, even with early out retirements, are increasing in 2018 and from 2021 through 2024(last year available to check). Why? Because enough flow throughs, and some recallees, are old enough to replace the early out retirees in those years so the net number is increasing.
Rough wag for AA's 15 yr retirement data -
15 yrs -
10,000 - (using Tallflyer's data for years 11-15 and adding that to the APA contract comparison)
10,800 - using a bar graph retirement chart from the SLI hearings.
5 years - 2,832
10 years - 7,518
That's 2,600 more retirements than UA in the next 10 years.
AA's 10 year retirement percentage is about 57%. UA's is about 47%.
Here's a crazy, and hidden, stat - AA's retirements, even with early out retirements, are increasing in 2018 and from 2021 through 2024(last year available to check). Why? Because enough flow throughs, and some recallees, are old enough to replace the early out retirees in those years so the net number is increasing.
Rough wag for AA's 15 yr retirement data -
15 yrs -
10,000 - (using Tallflyer's data for years 11-15 and adding that to the APA contract comparison)
10,800 - using a bar graph retirement chart from the SLI hearings.
03-12-2016, 07:46 PM
#43
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Originally Posted by ATR35
The point is that we are last in our class when it comes to benifits/compensation compared to the other major airlines. Which is why people have either no showed class or quit in the first year.
You can't argue with the facts:
You can't argue with the facts:
1. Guys have no showed, or quit, every airline and gone to one of the other Big 3. Undermines your point
2. AA has 53% more retirements than UA in the next 10 years using the data provided in this thread.
3. AA's flow throughs, and recallees, are older than the UA/DL OTS new hires. That's generating fewer blockers at AA and will generate a secondary retirement induced seniority advancement as the flow throughs, and recalllees, age out before the UA/DL OTS new hires do.
03-12-2016, 07:48 PM
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Letter T group avg age is 48 (SLI hearing).
Flow throughs averaged 49 in 2014 and 48 in 2015. Knew the number, might have the years mixed up.
So the avg time left at DOH for the flows is 16-17 years. For the Letter T guys it's 17 years.
Flow throughs averaged 49 in 2014 and 48 in 2015. Knew the number, might have the years mixed up.
So the avg time left at DOH for the flows is 16-17 years. For the Letter T guys it's 17 years.
03-12-2016, 08:00 PM
#45
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Originally Posted by Sliceback
More facts -
1. Guys have no showed, or quit, every airline and gone to one of the other Big 3. Undermines your point
2. AA has 53% more retirements than UA in the next 10 years using the data provided in this thread.
3. AA's flow throughs, and recallees, are older than the UA/DL OTS new hires. That's generating fewer blockers at AA and will generate a secondary retirement induced seniority advancement as the flow throughs, and recalllees, age out before the UA/DL OTS new hires do.
1. Guys have no showed, or quit, every airline and gone to one of the other Big 3. Undermines your point
2. AA has 53% more retirements than UA in the next 10 years using the data provided in this thread.
3. AA's flow throughs, and recallees, are older than the UA/DL OTS new hires. That's generating fewer blockers at AA and will generate a secondary retirement induced seniority advancement as the flow throughs, and recalllees, age out before the UA/DL OTS new hires do.
03-12-2016, 08:51 PM
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Originally Posted by iPilot6
Without scrolling, whats the official number of furloughs that have to make that final decision by May 6th?
Do you have someone chewing your food before you swallow?
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03-12-2016, 10:27 PM
#49
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Originally Posted by tailendcharlie
A lot of folks seem to be forgetting that the financial incentive of a legacy career is now so attractive that we're back to a 1970's environment where your standard military flying career is fulfill your min. requirement then head to the airlines. So there is going to be a steady stream of premium candidates every year, not just a diminishing number of regional captains like everyone keeps saying.
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