You're so disingenous. The Antarctic ice shelf may have grown but overall sea ice continues to shrink at a rate of over 13,000 square miles per year. That's the size of Maryland. By the way you used caps in the plural meaning both. Are you really claiming the Arctic sea ice is growing? Google is your friend. Why don't you open your mind a little and look up what NASA has to say about what might be causing the increase in sea ice in Antarctica. But be warned, it might just cause you to quit choosing to be ignorant and it will diminish your joy in watching Fox News.

Do you care to address all of the false predictions over the past 20-30 years?

False predictions? You mean the fact that the last decade was the hottest recorded since we began recording. Or perhaps you're referring to the fact that glaciers are in rapid retreat. No wait, you must mean the ocean tempereratures which in fact are warming. I've already mentioned sea ice shinking which is simply undebatable. Perhaps you're thinking of the prediction that winters would be shorter. Yup it's a fact. They're shorter and snow coverage is less expansive. Or maybe you and your friends are sceptical of the massive amount of CO2 man has pumped into our closed environment and the fact that every scientist and even a great many politics science majors acknowledge is a greenhouse gas. It's amazing how much more about this stuff some of my peers know than the people over at NASA. :rolleyes: Just because the timeline is off doesn't mean we're not in danger. Venus has a lot of CO2 in the atmosphere. How's that working out for life there?

Guess again moron.

You keep moving goal posts when your predictions and "facts" turn out to be false. So gore still hasn't apologized for the nonsense in his "inconvenient truth".

NASA Study: ?Antarctica is not currently contributing to sea level rise? ? ?Mass Gains of Antarctic Ice Sheet Greater than Losses? | Climate Depot
Experts said Arctic sea ice would melt entirely by September 2016 ? they were wrong | Climate Depot
Arctic Sea Ice Growth is ?Greatest on Record? in September ? Ice ?Expanding at a Phenomenal Rate? | Climate Depot

There is a reason why nasa is getting it if the climate "science" business soon.

You know when a person starts printing out "eye rolling" and referring to Venus Co2 their debate is lost. I would imagine after the election the millenials, skinny jean and .edu types are still in shock that people have different views than their own. Does that constitute an eyeroll too!

If climate change is real, then it is an engineering problem, you don't need any of us skeptics when 65,000,000+ people who voted for Hillarity Clinton, should be able to come up with something.

Let's assume for a moment, just for the sake of argument, that those who believe climate change is a myth are in fact correct. To do that, we have to disregard an incredible amount of scientific data — facts — which I understand Trump supporters are allergic to. But let's for a moment assume that climate-change deniers are absolutely correct. It would not be the first time in history that the scientific consensus has been wrong.

That changes nothing. Why? Well, let's think about national security for a moment. Many would define 'national security' as primarily based on military strength: if your borders are secure and you can project power outside those borders, and have a good chance of winning any conflicts, then you could reasonably call your nation secure. So most people tend to think that a strong military equates to national security. To a degree, that is true.

But national security is much more than that. Economic security is vitally important, and part of economic security is heavily tied to energy dependence. When a nation is so heavily dependent upon one or two sources of power – i.e. coal and petroleum, as most nations currently are — that nation is incredibly vulnerable to price and supply fluctuations. That nation will also be at the mercy, politically speaking, of the countries that control oil and coal production.

Look at our dependence on Middle Eastern oil, for example. Where do you think ISIS and Al Qaeda get their funding from? Middle Eastern oil, mostly. Why do you think the US has had to placate such oppressive regimes as Saudi Arabia for so long? Because they have quite a bit of oil. Think of how insecure our dependence on oil makes us. Think of how we, in a very real way, are funding the same folks who caused 9/11 and who'd like nothing better than to pull off another one. Yes, the US is increasing domestic production and is becoming less reliant on the Middle East, but the fact remains that oil is a vital resource that is concentrated quite heavily in the hands of many folks who certainly don't have America's best interests at heart.

Even leaving aside those political concerns, the fact is simple: petroleum is a finite resource. It will run out. Maybe Peak Oil isn't here yet, and perhaps we will continue to develop improved technologies that will allow us to exploit oil deposits we can't remotely touch now, but at a certain point, that game will become self-defeating, because the price of reaching that oil will make it uneconomical. When that happens — and it will, in our children's lifetimes if not ours — the economic and social upheaval will be tremendously damaging, if we haven't yet moved away from a petroleum-based economy.

Imagine if, just for a moment, a drop-in replacement for oil — one that is environmentally friendly — were invented tomorrow. Our power balance with the Middle East would change in a heartbeat. We'd stop spewing CO2 into the atmosphere. Our air and groundwater would be cleaner. Our children would be healthier. We'd stop sending so much of our wealth overseas, and be able to spend more of it here at home. Who can argue that would be a bad thing? Isn't that the very definition of national security?

So if I were in power — which, clearly, I am not — I'd call for the creation of a new Manhattan Program. But instead of producing the successor to the A- and H-bombs, I'd call for a massive national effort aimed at completely replacing petroleum power within the next two decades. Imagine if all cars were electric — that's possible today. Imagine if that electricity were generated not by coal, but by wind, solar, and nuclear. (The progressives' opposition to nuclear power drives me nuts, and I count myself as a progressive.)

Just think of how much better off this country — and this planet — would be, if we were able to eliminate petroleum. I'd argue that the world would be a cleaner, more peaceful place. And here's the thing: even if you think replacing petroleum is a crazy idea, it's inevitable. Whichever nation perfects the replacement for petroleum will become the next Saudi Arabia — flush with cash from a world hungry for energy.

And yet here we sit, trying desperately to hold onto a technology whose time has long come and gone.

Again: even if you don't believe that climate change is real, even if you believe this is all somehow some kind of giant scam — there are countless other reasons to wholeheartedly support the development of alternative energy sources. The question isn't if we have to do it. The question is how we're going to do it.

This isn't about politics, folks. This isn't about religion. This isn't even about what you believe. This is about a dispassionate analysis of the facts.

The military cares a great deal about climate change. They're investing a lot of money and have plans drawn up for the contingency.

But they're socialist lefties, right?:rolleyes:

Oh, and one more thing. Don't believe in climate change? Fine. Want the EPA to roll back decades of regulations so that we can pump more CO2 into the atmosphere through increased coal and petroleum production? Fine.

Now just do yourself a favor and go spend a few days in Beijing, China. Or Shanghai. Or New Delhi.

Spend a few days in these places and see how your lungs feel. Blow your nose and look at the black grime in your handkerchief. I lived in China for a while...until you have experienced it, you cannot believe what real pollution is like. And you cannot imagine living like this yourself.

This is what you want the United States to become? This is how you want your kids to grow up? With lung cancer, emphysema, and God knows what other diseases?

Really? This is how you want to live? All for...what, exactly?

Hahaha....I didn't know Co2 gave a person black lung disease. Remind me to never go to the local garden store greenhouse. I noticed the other day after walking out of Lowes garden center I started coughing up black mucus from all the carbon dioxide.