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busdriver12 12-10-2016 12:41 PM


Originally Posted by Mesabah (Post 2260206)
Well, Hillary would have raised taxes to plug bank's balance sheets, Trump is lowering taxes to plug bank's balance sheets. It's pretty clear who actually runs the country. There is some hope that Putin, who through the global bank cartel out of Russia in 2012, will help us do that here.

Well, that's a relief!

We are a cynical group around here, aren't we?:cool:

Mesabah 12-10-2016 01:07 PM


Originally Posted by busdriver12 (Post 2260231)
Well, that's a relief!

We are a cynical group around here, aren't we?:cool:

Today's tinfoil is tomorrow's "fake news" headline.

Trump will repeal, and replace the environment with something big league.

Turbosina 12-10-2016 01:14 PM


Originally Posted by thevagabond (Post 2260038)
I am, thank you. But it's more of a burden though because my journey through life is accompanied by far too many people like you.

Ain't that the truth!

The thing about Trump is, it's clear people vastly underestimated him. He knows how to exploit stupid people and play on their ignorance and fear, far more effectively than most politicians. As we have seen, one must not underestimate the collective power of people of less than average intelligence, especially since by definition they make up 50% of the population. The question is, how long will it take before the people who voted for Trump wake up and realize that they've been had?

The one thing I do take consolation in is that 2.7 million more people saw through his act and voted for his opponent. The question is, what will come first?

1. Impeachment
2. Trump starts a global war because of something he sees on Fox News or Breitbart

Time will tell.

Mesabah 12-10-2016 01:31 PM


Originally Posted by Turbosina (Post 2260246)
Ain't that the truth!

The thing about Trump is, it's clear people vastly underestimated him. He knows how to exploit stupid people and play on their ignorance and fear, far more effectively than most politicians. As we have seen, one must not underestimate the collective power of people of less than average intelligence, especially since by definition they make up 50% of the population. The question is, how long will it take before the people who voted for Trump wake up and realize that they've been had?

The one thing I do take consolation in is that 2.7 million more people saw through his act and voted for his opponent. The question is, what will come first?

1. Impeachment
2. Trump starts a global war because of something he sees on Fox News or Breitbart

Time will tell.

Hillary didn't actually win the primary, funny how that is glassed over in the media, yet a secret report by the Obama admin, shows that maybe the Russian's hacked the RNC too, but didn't publish, helping Trump. This is non-sense, the media is trying to spin this as the Russians hacked the ballots, which is completely false. Evidence of Hillary committing actual election fraud against Bernie, and then again vs Trump, is a fact.

iceman49 12-10-2016 01:48 PM


Originally Posted by Mesabah (Post 2260256)
Hillary didn't actually win the primary, funny how that is glassed over in the media, yet a secret report by the Obama admin, shows that maybe the Russian's hacked the RNC too, but didn't publish, helping Trump. This is non-sense, the media is trying to spin this as the Russians hacked the ballots, which is completely false. Evidence of Hillary committing actual election fraud against Bernie, and then again vs Trump, is a fact.

So the CIA got it wrong?

Mesabah 12-10-2016 01:52 PM


Originally Posted by iceman49 (Post 2260260)
So the CIA got it wrong?

There is a fight going on between the NSA, and CIA, and Trump has taken the side of the NSA. In fact Trump doesn't even attend his CIA briefings. Our government is messed up far more than people know.


Putin is after the grand prize next, Merkel, that should be fun to watch.

Extenda 12-10-2016 02:03 PM

My two cents: It's our duty as Americans to hold the people we voted for accountable. They work for YOU. This goes for every politician. Criticize malfeasance when you see it, regardless of whether it's a D or an R doing it. I didn't vote for Trump, but I HOPE I vote for him in 4 years because he did that amazing of a job. The Republicans keeping quiet in September when they knew the Russians were trying to influence election results is totally unacceptable, as it would have been if the Democrats did it. It is your patriotic duty to let your elected leaders know they cannot behave like this.

iceman49 12-10-2016 02:13 PM


Originally Posted by Mesabah (Post 2260265)
There is a fight going on between the NSA, and CIA, and Trump has taken the side of the NSA. In fact Trump doesn't even attend his CIA briefings. Our government is messed up far more than people know.


Putin is after the grand prize next, Merkel, that should be fun to watch.

The NSA director also said that the Russians were involved.

NSA CHIEF: Nation-state made 'conscious effort' to sway the election - Business Insider

Mesabah 12-10-2016 02:14 PM


Originally Posted by Extenda (Post 2260273)
My two cents: It's our duty as Americans to hold the people we voted for accountable. They work for YOU. This goes for every politician. Criticize malfeasance when you see it, regardless of whether it's a D or an R doing it. I didn't vote for Trump, but I HOPE I vote for him in 4 years because he did that amazing of a job. The Republicans keeping quiet in September when they knew the Russians were trying to influence election results is totally unacceptable, as it would have been if the Democrats did it. It is your patriotic duty to let your elected leaders know they cannot behave like this.

What was the Democrat response when the UK had parliamentary hearings on banning Trump, in an effort to undermine the election?

awax 12-10-2016 02:15 PM


Originally Posted by Extenda (Post 2260273)
It is your patriotic duty to let your elected leaders know they cannot behave like this.

And there's the disconnect (the size of Russia?). If the opposing party criticizes the fall back argument from the MAGA camp is dismissive strawman nonsense that doesn't address any of the issues.

Trump could show integrity and confidence in the democracy while simultaneously shutting down any critic by:

1.) Encouraging and assisting in any recount effort to prove that he's the legitimately elected leader of the USA.

2.) Encouraging and participating in any investigation effort to show that he had no ties to Russian electioneering and that he's the legitimately elected leader of the USA.


Instead, he's tweeting denials and flinging counter accusations. The illusion of impropriety is as bad as impropriety itself because it undermines public trust. The country is deeply divided, and this division will be used to divide and conquer in the most horrific way imaginable to the US.


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