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NEDude 01-09-2017 07:22 AM


Originally Posted by METO Guido (Post 2277445)
I'm clear on at least this, you can't make too much money. Wherever you're at on analogy hill, you'll take whatever can get but, like everyone else, you're along for the ride.

To defend what these "schemers" are attempting just because it's common & legal in Europe doesn't make sense to me. The Euro zone is a mess. This whole deal is a not so hard to read labor & compliance end-run. It should come as no surprise a defensive end is lowering his helmet.

So please explain how the "Euro zone" (whatever that is) is a mess, and please further elaborate as to how your definition of it being a mess in any way affects the legality of NAI. Lastly please explain how they are "schemers" when NAI are in full compliance with Irish labour laws, EU labour laws, Irish Aviation Authority regulations and EASA regulations. Nothing ALPA has accused them of doing, right or wrong, has allowed them to escape applicable EU labour laws or EASA regulations. Please explain how you seem to thing they have done that.

I await your response.

METO Guido 01-09-2017 01:52 PM


Originally Posted by NEDude (Post 2277434)
The reason I am in defence of NAI is because this type of scheme is quite common and fully legal in the European market. Norwegian is simply the first company to try doing it on a large scale. But the legal foundations for such a scheme are well established within Europe, many airlines utilise AOCs based in other countries and many airlines use contract employees through agencies based in other countries.

Scheme times two. Took the liberty of referring to scheme artists as schemers? You know quite well what euro zone is and better than I what extraordinary lengths their central bank has taken to address the ongoing debt crisis. NAI's competitive advantage establishing routes and bases from US domiciles is intended to be several things. An improved method of AOC compliance, industry best practice management and employee protections are not among them.

NEDude 01-09-2017 11:19 PM


Originally Posted by METO Guido (Post 2277829)
You know quite well what euro zone is and better than I what extraordinary lengths their central bank has taken to address the ongoing debt crisis. NAI's competitive advantage establishing routes and bases from US domiciles is intended to be several things.

Ah, you mean the common currency. I asked for clarification because many people lump Eurozone, EU, EEA, and Schengen Zone all together and often use the wrong term for the wrong thing. Just wanted to make sure exactly what aspect of Europe you were referring to. There is no doubt that the Eurozone and the common currency is a mess, I will certainly not contest your statement to that fact. But again I question how and why you made the connection between that and the legality of Norwegian's operations, especially when the bulk of Norwegian's long haul operations occur in countries that are outside of the Eurozone: Norway, Sweden, Denmark and UK.

Second - how is Norwegian opening crew domiciles in the US and operating from the US to and from EU territories in the Caribbean any more sinister than United having flight attendants based Hong Kong and operating routes from Hong Kong to other Asian destinations? Or Northwest/Delta operating several routes to and from Amsterdam that do not include the US? How is it any more sinister than Kuwait airlines operating flights between JFK and LHR?

METO Guido 01-10-2017 01:14 AM


Originally Posted by NEDude (Post 2278057)
Second - how is Norwegian opening crew domiciles in the US and operating from the US to and from EU territories in the Caribbean any more sinister than United having flight attendants based Hong Kong and operating routes from Hong Kong to other Asian destinations? Or Northwest/Delta operating several routes to and from Amsterdam that do not include the US? How is it any more sinister than Kuwait airlines operating flights between JFK and LHR?

Simple answer, it's not. One need look no further than DHL to find a multinational furiously working the baton in a US hub. Personally, I have a hard time seeing this gang as survivors here. Then again, I thought JetBlue had no chance.:confused:

NEDude 01-10-2017 07:10 AM


Originally Posted by METO Guido (Post 2278073)
Simple answer, it's not. One need look no further than DHL to find a multinational furiously working the baton in a US hub. Personally, I have a hard time seeing this gang as survivors here. Then again, I thought JetBlue had no chance.:confused:

Or Fedex operating a hub in Germany and doing intra-European routes.


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