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Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 2281616)

Virtually every airline mandates hair for females and males including flight attendants. If we did not have a union we would not even be having this discussion since in the vast majority of companies with 6 figure jobs non conformance results in no promotion or dismissal. I believe if a company hires you and sends you a paycheck every month they have some right to demand certain levels of performance and appearance. You certainly have the right to disagree with company policy and vote with your feet. I am somewhat surprised you did not choose a company with policies more aligned with your beliefs.

The day Virgin America opens a DTW base, Bye Falecia!

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Originally Posted by dawgdriver (Post 2281978)

Wait,...In one paragraph you claim I omit the past, but in the next you say I admitted to it...which is it?

You'll probably argue with this judges findings too, but here ya go. Plenty more where that came from, but something tells me you won't 'concede'.

"The judge noted that "[i]n short, in terms of minority and female employment, United is not the company it was eighteen years ago" and that "all of the parties, including the EEOC, now affirm that since 1988 United has been hiring minority and female pilots at ratios which consistently exceed application ratios."

https://www.nap.edu/read/5433/chapter/7#117

Since your question extends beyond aviation (society/workplace), perhaps a little study of the Supreme Court Ruling on the (il)legality of Affirmative Action is in order. You can start with the University of Michigan.

Michigan's ban on affirmative action upheld by Supreme Court - CNN.com

I read quite a bit from those articles. Both showed examples and court cases showing the exclusion of minorities from cockpit and managerial positions in the airlines for decades, with some airlines only offering positions to minorities after being forced by court order. In the second article, it says the first airline to "voluntarily" hire a black pilot was American Airlines, in 1968. Before that, either the courts forced the issue, or minorities were excluded. What exactly is your point? How does this information help you make your point?

I'll ask again. Show me legislature that hinders caucasian males from receiving equal treatment in society and/or the workplace. Show me that straight caucasian male pilots are being hired at a lower percentage than their minority/female peers, based on the country's demographics..

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Originally Posted by full of luv (Post 2282114)

That's the name they chose back in 1924.
It shows attention to detail on a resume.

Would you address your UAL app with Yonited?
Would you apply to AA with the name Merican' Airlines?
Would you apply to Alaska with the name Alaskan Airlines?

Actually, I was speaking in reference to ALPA volunteers or officers who list their duties with the Airline Pilots Association instead of Air Line Pilots Association. We all know you need to know the difference when sliding off a runway.

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Originally Posted by dawgdriver (Post 2281909)

Enough already with the history lesson. This may have been a good ol' boy selection process in the past, but HR and legal departments have long since abolished that. This career field is now populated by entrants that elect to be here. If there are institutional constraints against any group, it's certainly not minorities and females. And please spare me the speech about financial/social advantage of white males.

You can't seem to make your case without putting words in my mouth. Where did I say that minorities and women are being discriminated against today? Show me the post...

I also did not mention anything about any financial/social benefits of being a white male. I simply said that most aviation jobs are currently held by white men. Is that not correct?

You obviously have some other bones to pick if you are coming to these conclusions without me saying anything of the sort.

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Originally Posted by labbats (Post 2281921)

Popcorn is probably the most apt name on this forum.

I grabbed some popcorn myself and settled in to read the inevitable clash of idealism vs realism.

I just about ran out. So much isms.

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Originally Posted by popcorn (Post 2281600)

Some of the responses here. Wow, just wow. These are not the things adults who fly airplanes should be saying.

Deltas obsession with hat wearing is the joke of the industry....

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Originally Posted by popcorn (Post 2281640)

I don't work for Delta.

Pop,

If you don't like the fact that Delta requires us to wear our hats, don't come to work here. That's the beauty of this country. You can choose who you work for.

Go somewhere else, or stay where you are, and you might find that while you are joking about hats, you are also complaining about work rules, profit sharing, pay rates, and schedules.

I remember after 9/11, I got bumped from DC-9 captain back to 757 FO, and after concessions, taking a ~50% pay cut and crappy work rules. But hey! -- Hats became optional and they allowed us to wear leather jackets. I wasn't impressed. :o

When looking at the big picture, you might find that hat's and hair styles are small potatoes. But, if you want that to be your issue, go for it.

I wish you the best of luck and hope you get, or are at, that dream job where you don't have to be laughed at because you are wearing a hat. ;)

Is this a serious post? Does DAL really require female pilots to have their hair in a ponytail? Seems kinda hard to believe.

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Originally Posted by Klondike Bear (Post 2281635)

What about the double breasted jacket? I really don't mind the hat but when I look at myself in the mirror with that jacket I cringe. I think that should be the joke of the industry.

It is.

My grandpa used to say it's good that everybody doesn't like the same thing, or they'd all be after your grandmother.