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80ktsClamp 01-22-2017 05:01 PM


Originally Posted by qball (Post 2286399)
If that's the case the video was poorly done. I'll reserve further judgement until I get to do it in the sim. A few LCAs I've talked to don't like it either.

Agreed... they made it way more complicated than it is trying to show all possible strange situations.

It's just confirmation starting the ecam and pressing the clear key (saying what you're clearing and your partner confirming the clear). That's really all there is to it!

There are very few situations where you'd run a checklist before starting the status page analysis.

I had a similar reception to it as well until: a. I realized how simple it was, and b. A new hire came through that was already Airbus typed. I introduced the "new" method and his response was "what, you guys don't do it like that already?" Turns out we're the weird ones. :)

Doug Masters 01-22-2017 06:57 PM


Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp (Post 2286401)
Turns out we're the weird ones. :)

You just now figuring that out Clamp? Typical bassist...always late to the party. ;)

FIIGMO 01-22-2017 07:12 PM


Originally Posted by mainlineAF (Post 2285747)
Even when the guys turned their light on in their face?

You can't teach common sense.

Here here!

It is not their fault they are so stupid it's their parents! :D

80ktsClamp 01-22-2017 07:28 PM


Originally Posted by Doug Masters (Post 2286460)
You just now figuring that out Clamp? Typical bassist...always late to the party. ;)

I'm back to my roots as lead electric. :D Just did a 2 year stint playing all bass since that was needed!

Been running a stereo rig with strymon timeline delay and big sky reverb pedals.... holy moley it sounds beyond incredible!


And hey, I've been saying we're the weird ones in the industry since I checked out on little fifi and us not doing flaps 3 as normal! But hey, they always did it that way... soooooo

aa73 01-22-2017 07:31 PM

I was recently lobbying for AA to incorporate some kind of "lights on" policy when taking, and crossing, runways. It went nowhere. We have pretty much zero guidance on illuminating our lights when crossing runways, so if you ever see a dark aircraft crossing the runway you are holding on, chances are it is an AA aircraft. You've been warned!

At my last airline (ACA) you NEVER crossed a runway without turning all lights on. I think that is standard everywhere.

Same with "line up and wait." It's been my experience that all airlines turn strobe lights on when in "line up and wait." Except AA - we only turn strobes on when actual takeoff clearance is received. Not realizing that having the strobes on could potentially save a collision from someone trying to land on your runway. But, their opinion is that "we don't want to blind everyone."

On our A320 fleet, they just leave the strobe light switch in Auto or whatever, so they are never flashing on the ground. Another silly procedure. As I understand it, on the A320 you can manually have them on.

AA has the most non-standard lights policy I've ever seen. Just one thing on a long list of stuff we do differently!

We do have a "taxi light On" policy when moving so I guess we're standard on that.

mainlineAF 01-23-2017 02:53 AM


Originally Posted by aa73 (Post 2286481)
I was recently lobbying for AA to incorporate some kind of "lights on" policy when taking, and crossing, runways. It went nowhere. We have pretty much zero guidance on illuminating our lights when crossing runways, so if you ever see a dark aircraft crossing the runway you are holding on, chances are it is an AA aircraft. You've been warned!

At my last airline (ACA) you NEVER crossed a runway without turning all lights on. I think that is standard everywhere.

Same with "line up and wait." It's been my experience that all airlines turn strobe lights on when in "line up and wait." Except AA - we only turn strobes on when actual takeoff clearance is received. Not realizing that having the strobes on could potentially save a collision from someone trying to land on your runway. But, their opinion is that "we don't want to blind everyone."

On our A320 fleet, they just leave the strobe light switch in Auto or whatever, so they are never flashing on the ground. Another silly procedure. As I understand it, on the A320 you can manually have them on.

AA has the most non-standard lights policy I've ever seen. Just one thing on a long list of stuff we do differently!

We do have a "taxi light On" policy when moving so I guess we're standard on that.



One of the few AA policies I agree with and I'm glad it didn't change. Gives us some discretion to not be 'that guy'.

Hank Kingsley 01-23-2017 05:46 AM

This is about as relevant as the average discussion on the lady show, "The Talk". I've been lasered more times then taxi light blasted by a DAL jet. Or nominated for the Chairman's Club. Is this really a problem?

iceman49 01-23-2017 06:08 AM


Originally Posted by aa73 (Post 2286481)
I was recently lobbying for AA to incorporate some kind of "lights on" policy when taking, and crossing, runways. It went nowhere. We have pretty much zero guidance on illuminating our lights when crossing runways, so if you ever see a dark aircraft crossing the runway you are holding on, chances are it is an AA aircraft. You've been warned!

At my last airline (ACA) you NEVER crossed a runway without turning all lights on. I think that is standard everywhere.

Same with "line up and wait." It's been my experience that all airlines turn strobe lights on when in "line up and wait." Except AA - we only turn strobes on when actual takeoff clearance is received. Not realizing that having the strobes on could potentially save a collision from someone trying to land on your runway. But, their opinion is that "we don't want to blind everyone."

On our A320 fleet, they just leave the strobe light switch in Auto or whatever, so they are never flashing on the ground. Another silly procedure. As I understand it, on the A320 you can manually have them on.

AA has the most non-standard lights policy I've ever seen. Just one thing on a long list of stuff we do differently!

We do have a "taxi light On" policy when moving so I guess we're standard on that.

https://www.faa.gov/airports/runway_...s_Brochure.pdf

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GogglesPisano 01-23-2017 06:26 AM

This will make a great meme. Add it to "windcheck" and "light chop."

gloopy 01-23-2017 08:48 AM

Or just don't stare directly at a plane when they get any kind of runway related clearance. Even briefly looking at full lights doesn't "ruin your night vision" come on. Turn the screens up a tiny bit. All the "run silent run deep" stuff is silly enough at cruise but on takeoff are you really scanning with all your might looking for that unlit lost Piper Cub, or are you focused on V2+whatever, course and flap speeds like everyone else? Maybe we should eliminate all lights and issue everyone FLIR.


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