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iceman49 01-24-2017 06:57 AM

On the runway the lights should be on, cleared for t/o landing lights on, sorry but safety comes first. Good luck

FmrFreightDog 01-24-2017 08:38 AM


Originally Posted by notEnuf (Post 2286981)
Do you flash your left or right landing light when making turns on the taxiways too? :D

As a Delta right seat guy, I must admit that this really bugs me. The dude with his head down driving the tug isn't going to see your turn signal and all of a sudden decide to stop. If he missed the 70+ tons of airplane turning into his zipper road, he's probably not going to notice the blinking light.

sweetholyjesus 01-24-2017 09:12 AM


Originally Posted by iceman49 (Post 2287331)
On the runway the lights should be on, cleared for t/o landing lights on, sorry but safety comes first. Good luck

Not sure how the nose taxi light will keep an airplane that's behind you from landing on you. And the guy across the runway has to roll sometime too. You'd think it would be safer not to wipe out his night vision, which takes a while to come back..

But whatever. Discretion was never an important part of this job anyway :rolleyes:

iceman49 01-24-2017 10:41 AM

Read the best practices from the FAA

450knotOffice 01-24-2017 10:55 AM


Originally Posted by iceman49 (Post 2287491)
Read the best practices from the FAA

Within that document, page 18 specifically (as you linked us to a couple of pages back) says this:

"Turn off your taxi or landing lights when stopped, yielding or as a consideration to other pilots, drivers or ground personnel." (my highlight to bring attention to this part of their statement)

That's all we are trying to say here. If you are blasting the guy across the runway with your taxi light while turning into position, you are not increasing safety at all. At all. Once you are facing down the runway, turn it back on if you turned it off. Be illuminated. Absolutely.

And yes, of course, if there's no one you'll blast with your taxi light, absolutely turn on those lights as you're rolling into position.

Pgus 01-24-2017 11:13 AM


Originally Posted by 450knotOffice (Post 2287501)
Within that document, page 18 specifically (as you linked us to a couple of pages back) says this:

"Turn off your taxi or landing lights when stopped, yielding or as a consideration to other pilots, drivers or ground personnel." (my highlight to bring attention to this part of their statement)

That's all we are trying to say here. If you are blasting the guy across the runway with your taxi light while turning into position, you are not increasing safety at all. At all. Once you are facing down the runway, turn it back on if you turned it off. Be illuminated. Absolutely.

And yes, of course, if there's no one you'll blast with your taxi light, absolutely turn on those lights as you're rolling into position.

But.... But... I's on the FOM... Must be followed at all times.. :rolleyes::rolleyes:

Dolphinflyer 01-24-2017 12:28 PM


Originally Posted by gloopy (Post 2286728)
Or just don't stare directly at a plane when they get any kind of runway related clearance. Even briefly looking at full lights doesn't "ruin your night vision" come on. Turn the screens up a tiny bit.

Not always. Landing one rainy night at MIA on RW12, flare is just right of the RW08R pad.

BA 747 is cleared for TO from the south side of pad, angled towards us as we cross the approach lights, Flips on every light on that whale into our face. Thought I was Randy Quaid flying an F18 into the bottom of an alien earth destroyer.

I think I still had spots on my eyes driving home on I95 :D

Just try to be considerate.

CBreezy 01-24-2017 12:42 PM


Originally Posted by 450knotOffice (Post 2287198)
Ok. How many times has a jet hit another aircraft that was sitting on the runway waiting to take off at night? Yes, there have been jets that have flown over others sitting in position, but as far as I know, it's happened only one time.

Anyway, getting back to REALITY here for a moment, there is NO safety issue with turning off your nose light for a moment if you see another jet in front of you. it's just polite. And by the way, MOST pilots do this, thankfully. However, for YOU, I'll turn on ALL my lights right into your face. You know. For safety. 🤔
(When I'm a captain again, lol)

TWA 427 in STL. There's two. There are probably more.

100LL 01-24-2017 12:48 PM

The whole lights thing is a "courtesy manner" pilots should be considerate of others. There is competition everywhere but at the end of the day we are all on the same team. Another annoying issue is when pilots just randomly throw chocks on the ramp by an FBO instead of taking them back to where they belong. Sure its the ramp guy's job to put them back and clean up the ramp but sometimes they can't get to it right away. One day I saw 4 chocks just laying around at my home FBO and it was as if I was driving around cones. I asked the ramp guy about it and he was the only one working and was busy fueling up airlines.

iceman49 01-24-2017 01:27 PM


Originally Posted by 450knotOffice (Post 2287501)
Within that document, page 18 specifically (as you linked us to a couple of pages back) says this:

"Turn off your taxi or landing lights when stopped, yielding or as a consideration to other pilots, drivers or ground personnel." (my highlight to bring attention to this part of their statement)

That's all we are trying to say here. If you are blasting the guy across the runway with your taxi light while turning into position, you are not increasing safety at all. At all. Once you are facing down the runway, turn it back on if you turned it off. Be illuminated. Absolutely.

And yes, of course, if there's no one you'll blast with your taxi light, absolutely turn on those lights as you're rolling into position.

Agreed....


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