freightguy

Currently...just 747-200 FE. However, according to the last bid, a new-hire 747 FE has just around 15-20 people ahead of them to the 747-200 FO position. NWA just started hiring. Give it a few more months and they will see more movement...just like CAL and DAL when they started to add more and more pilots. For example, 747-200 FE block (hard line) used to be a 8 yr senior seat at NWA. Several new-hires from the last few classes were able to hold block lines right of the bat---not even a single month on reserve.

DYNASTY HVY

Seems as if we are getting a bit ahead of ourselves as the deal has not gone through yet.If it does I hope its a better deal than the National/PA so called deal.

rvr350

Last time I talked to my friends at NWA, even a DC9 CA can't hold 47-400 FO slot... The ratio of narrowbody vs. widebody at NWA is much lower than DAL.

Bucking Bar

I think the senior Delta pilots will get a number close to what they can hold, but it would surpise the heck out of me if I was given 13+ years seniority (to hold my current seat) at NWA with less than a year at Delta. If for no other reason than that would put me able to hold pretty good seniority as a MD88 Captain in ATL. To be able to hold what I've got now is fair; but many would see that as a heck of a windfall.

Then there is the pretty large disparity in pay rates that NWA accepted to keep their pensions (which Delta does not have).

Seems like the best idea is to take Delta's current contribution plan and find a way to encourage the top 15% to 20% of the NWA list to take their money and run like 2,000 Delta pilots did.

That would even things out without the thorny problems of kicking the junior Delta pilots a decade down the ladder of career expectations.

Another open question is the bilateral flow through with NWA's wholly-owneds and the replacement of mainline DC-9's with Compass and Mesaba. In my opinion One List with Compass, Mesaba, Comair, zippered DOH and Stapled on the DAL/NWA merged list is the way to go. Enchanced career expectations and preservation of flow through for them, furlough protection when the DC-9's go away for us. Simplified, stronger, scope that benefits everyone.

What do you think?

Sniper

For the RJ CA, ex military guy, or some drivers for the middle and bottom tier carriers and cargo, it'd be a HUGE loss. For the 500 hr. TT new-hire @ Mesaba or Comair, it's more than a wild dream. I just can't see the staple happening. Can you honestly say that the DL and NW pilot groups would want over 1500 guys who've never commanded a turbine aircraft on their list (even the bottom) while their buddies in the Guard unit and their RJ CA friends are shut out?

It'd be great for the pilot industry as a whole though - get more pilots long term career stability, make a labor action MUCH more effective, capture ALL jets @ mainline, a likely mistake (in hindsight) first made 15 years ago, by DL, ironically.

Can't see it happening @ DL/NW, or anywhere else for that matter, but it's an interesting idea.

Whatever happens, I hope it works out well for the current guys @ DL and NW, especially the guys who were on property before 9/11 and have seen things go downhill. I would love to see these guys get some of their losses back.

Bucking Bar

Well for seven long years DAL did not hire anyone (Military, RJ Capt's, Cargo, etc...) because DCI hired more than 4,000 pilots.

With One List the quality of DCI pilots would improve because it would be a Delta job. A CRJ700 is a much nicer (and more capable jet) than the first generation DC-9's & everyone seems to forget Ransome's ATR pilots retired off the Delta list as a result of the merger, as well as the Northwest F27 guys.

This RJ line in the sand is pretty arbitrary, which is part of the reason it has been so poorly enforced.

I hope this isn't thread creep, but it sure seems like a revised scope section would be involved due to the differences in the two carrier's permitted jets. It has to be resolved somehow.

Superpilot92

He never mentioned the 747-400 he said -200.

rvr350

My apologies then, my NWA neighbor. I forget there's a FO on the 200. It's usually the CA drives the a/c on the ground, and the FE brews the coffee, and once in a while, the FO reads the checklist

Superpilot92

thats what i hear also. Congrats on the new job and have fun!!

FliFast

Great questions, and as always there are two sides to any story, and /i hope any AA pilots will give their account of this.

First, how did this happen. American acquired the assets if TWA and promised that almost all 24,000 jobs would be saved. In the end only 1800 were saved.

TWA was represented by ALPA. However, it is contested in court right now that ALPA did not fairly represent the TWA pilots. I can not expand on the reasons for such because it is in court, but basically ALPA did not represent the TWA pilots. In addition, TWA's contract had a scope clause in it. American Airlines management and TWA LLC management approached TWA's pilot union and asked them to surrender their scope clause or face it's dissolution in bankruptcy court. In exchange for the surrendering iof scope, management promised the TWA pilots a better seniority integration which never materialzed.

TWA pilots were lucky to be offered job. This is too subjective of a topic for me to handle.

But we had narrowbody Capts go to the street,.

Regardds,

FF