Carl Spackler

Deez,

Calling my responses "emotional" shows two things. One, you need to improve in English comprehension. Two, you like to dismiss someone's opinions rather than debate. Niether of these attributes add anything to a discussion in my opinion. I won't take the least offense if you put me on ignore.

Carl

Justdoinmyjob

No one is faulting you, I understand your desire completely. That said, We had to give up/modify parts of our CBA to get that cash. I'm still not sure if I'm personally OK with that, but what are you willing to do or give up for that cash? Nothing is free, you get what you negotiate, not what you think you deserve.

Flare Armed

I think Carl has been pretty non-emotional, to be honest. Pretty good discussion about this so far.

Pretty impressive to be so senior, AND to be comfortable using computers and the "interweb".

Hopefully this all gets worked out sooner rather than later so we can all have more beer money.

tsquare

No you are not wrong in wanting equity. But you have to realize it is the job of your MEC to negotiate it. You do not pay dues for the Delta MEC yet, so how could they negotiate for you? Pattern bargaining is another thing... And FWIW.. I want you to get equity too..

Deez340

I found clinging to a second hand rumor about there only being 100 pilots over fifty years of age at DAL in the face of multiple people taking their personal time to manually count into the thousands to alleviate his concerns emotional. Still do.

StripAlert

I don't know where you guys are getting this information from. If it's your MEC, I wonder what other lies they're spreading...

Of the top 500 at Delta, on the April seniority list, the median age is 54 years and the mean is 54.5. The number of Delta pilots in the top 500 who are younger than 50...wait for it...thirty-three. 'Round these parts, us good 'ole boys don't call that "the majority."

Remember, "buddy" is only half a word. Total pilots at Delta over age 50 as of today: 2,564. (I'm sure most of these have turned 50 since you talked to your buddy, though.)

I'm going to have to throw the flag on that one. I don't have a NWA seniority list, but I've got to presume that there are more than 8 pilots at NWA who are between 52 and 57 years old. If you are assuming that all of the NWA pilots are going to retire at 60, that's a non-starter. Unless it's the law, we're not buying it. So we'll move forward under the assumption that you'd retire #9 at age 65 if NWA stood alone, and so will everyone else, since there isn't another cutoff mandated anywhere.

According to APC, Northwest has 5,156 pilots, which puts you at "around" 9.7%. On a combined list by straight ratio, you'd be behind "around" 499 former-NWA pilots and "around" 710 existing Delta pilots, or 1,210/12,480 of the combined seniority list. (Number 710 at Delta is an 11/86 hire senior enough to hold ATL 777 captain, by the way, so no worries about getting bumped.)

Of those senior to you, you've indicated that all but 8 of the former-NWA pilots are older. Of the top 710 Delta pilots, 306 are 52 or younger, so in the worst case for you (assuming all 52-year-old Delta pilots are younger than you with no attrition), you'll retire at number 315. We don't know the size of the combined carrier in 13 years, but using today's numbers, you'd retire at 2.52% after the SLI vs. 0.175% at standalone NWA. Sure, percentage-wise, it's a significant difference, but not nearly as big as your initial post made it out to be, especially considering you're already a 744 captain.

I'll let the junior NWA guys chime in with their opinions on the raw deal you'll be getting, forced to spend the next 13 years plying the Pacific at the top of the payscale.

DAL4EVER

Here's a question. If we go off DOH, will Green book guys suddenly have seniority over many of the Red book guys. I have heard that there are many -9 and 320 Capts who could easily hold the -400 Capt. position.

If that happens, it will be the final revenge of the Green book guys. The DAL/WA merger has already been factored. But my question is that if DOH trumps the ration integration, will that be retroactive at NWA since the list is based off two books.

NWA320pilot

The Green/Red Roberts award is done and over...... That being said a NWA pilot has recall rights to equipment for how ever as long as it is on your bid card. Thus junior guys whom have been bumped from one aircraft can get back on it prior to a new award going to a green book/senior pilot pilot.

Personally I feel the unlimited recall rights needs to go. Something closer to 18 months would be more than fair in my book.

StripAlert

It's my understanding that, post-merger, the entire NWA monthly bid-around system is gone, so that issue solves itself. At least that's what was supposedly negotiated in the top-secret joint contract that we hammered out last month, which doesn't officially exist and will self-destruct in 10 seconds...

Carl Spackler

Hey...you have no idea how hard it was for me to figure out how to even get Carl's picture as my avatar. Of course that was after I learned what the hell an avatar was

Carl