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04-24-2008, 02:29 PM
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Originally Posted by tsquare
Carl, do not ever say SO BE IT to a Delta pilot. Another RA used those 3 words once, and it almost resulted in another burning of Atlanta. 
BTW... it's a joke... I'll 'splain it to you over a beer sometime. (you're buyin)
BTW... it's a joke... I'll 'splain it to you over a beer sometime. (you're buyin)
Oh alright, I'll buy.
Carl
04-24-2008, 05:10 PM
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This is a clip of the DAL MEC closing testimony to the US HR and US Senate today...
An important part of that agreement was a unanimous commitment on the part of Delta’s pilot union leaders that “the Delta [union leadership] welcomes the Northwest pilots as partners in the building of the new merged airline and looks forward to working with the Northwest [union leadership] to bring about the rapid completion of a new joint agreement to take effect on the closing of the corporate transaction providing immediate parity in rates of pay and further providing for a rapid completion of a fair and equitable integrated seniority list to take effect on the effective date of the new joint agreement.”
The Delta pilots have a long and proud history of treating each other fairly and acting with the best interests of our fellow pilots in mind, and make no mistake, once the corporate transaction closes, the Delta and Northwest pilots will all be Delta pilots. Our ethics of integrity, fairness and professionalism will not be compromised as we transition to a group over 12,000 strong.
An important part of that agreement was a unanimous commitment on the part of Delta’s pilot union leaders that “the Delta [union leadership] welcomes the Northwest pilots as partners in the building of the new merged airline and looks forward to working with the Northwest [union leadership] to bring about the rapid completion of a new joint agreement to take effect on the closing of the corporate transaction providing immediate parity in rates of pay and further providing for a rapid completion of a fair and equitable integrated seniority list to take effect on the effective date of the new joint agreement.”
The Delta pilots have a long and proud history of treating each other fairly and acting with the best interests of our fellow pilots in mind, and make no mistake, once the corporate transaction closes, the Delta and Northwest pilots will all be Delta pilots. Our ethics of integrity, fairness and professionalism will not be compromised as we transition to a group over 12,000 strong.
04-24-2008, 05:19 PM
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Delta is a GREAT place to work... Nearly everyone is happy... Pilots are the only unionized group that shows they remain happy. FA have voted against AFA 6 times and are in the middle of their 7 turn down. I just hope the NWA pilots look past their differences and understand that in the Southern corporate culture is different. People are not always out to get you and most of us still enjoy our jobs. We welcome all the NWA employees to Delta Air Lines and look forward to working with (not against you).
04-24-2008, 06:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
If there is no agreement after the merger closes, capacity reductions are all but certain and any furloughs associated with that will be NWA pilots only. Carl
04-25-2008, 03:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Justdoinmyjob
Actually, I was at our roadshow today, and according to the Negotiating Comm members present, IF there are any furloughs coming, per LOA 19, the company will have to spread the furloughs on a ratio between the two pilot groups. This was added to keep the company from doing exactly what you fear. I haven't seen the whole actual document yet, but it is supposed to be put out. I'm sure that as soon as it is, you will see a copy of it here or through other means. The roadshow today was also recorded for distribution on the net. I give it 2/3 days before that is all over the place too.
If that's true, that would be terrific. What I have read of LOA 19 didn't mention anything about shared furloughs, just a no furlough clause for DAL pilots. It's a bit difficult to imagine a no furlough clause that has a clause allowing furloughs to be shared if they happen. I'm not saying you're incorrect, just that it seems a bit strange. I'll be looking forward to this clarification of LOA 19.
Carl
04-25-2008, 03:38 PM
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Originally Posted by JiffyLube
This is a clip of the DAL MEC closing testimony to the US HR and US Senate today...
An important part of that agreement was a unanimous commitment on the part of Delta’s pilot union leaders that “the Delta [union leadership] welcomes the Northwest pilots as partners in the building of the new merged airline and looks forward to working with the Northwest [union leadership] to bring about the rapid completion of a new joint agreement to take effect on the closing of the corporate transaction providing immediate parity in rates of pay and further providing for a rapid completion of a fair and equitable integrated seniority list to take effect on the effective date of the new joint agreement.”
The Delta pilots have a long and proud history of treating each other fairly and acting with the best interests of our fellow pilots in mind, and make no mistake, once the corporate transaction closes, the Delta and Northwest pilots will all be Delta pilots. Our ethics of integrity, fairness and professionalism will not be compromised as we transition to a group over 12,000 strong.
An important part of that agreement was a unanimous commitment on the part of Delta’s pilot union leaders that “the Delta [union leadership] welcomes the Northwest pilots as partners in the building of the new merged airline and looks forward to working with the Northwest [union leadership] to bring about the rapid completion of a new joint agreement to take effect on the closing of the corporate transaction providing immediate parity in rates of pay and further providing for a rapid completion of a fair and equitable integrated seniority list to take effect on the effective date of the new joint agreement.”
The Delta pilots have a long and proud history of treating each other fairly and acting with the best interests of our fellow pilots in mind, and make no mistake, once the corporate transaction closes, the Delta and Northwest pilots will all be Delta pilots. Our ethics of integrity, fairness and professionalism will not be compromised as we transition to a group over 12,000 strong.
Jiffy,
Others on this thread have stated that the DALPA Chairman meant that NWA pilots will be Delta pilots in "spirit" only, and that we won't really be Delta pilots until an SLI and combined contract. An interesting interpretation of DALPA's statement.
Carl
04-25-2008, 03:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
Just,
If that's true, that would be terrific. What I have read of LOA 19 didn't mention anything about shared furloughs, just a no furlough clause for DAL pilots. It's a bit difficult to imagine a no furlough clause that has a clause allowing furloughs to be shared if they happen. I'm not saying you're incorrect, just that it seems a bit strange. I'll be looking forward to this clarification of LOA 19.
Carl
If that's true, that would be terrific. What I have read of LOA 19 didn't mention anything about shared furloughs, just a no furlough clause for DAL pilots. It's a bit difficult to imagine a no furlough clause that has a clause allowing furloughs to be shared if they happen. I'm not saying you're incorrect, just that it seems a bit strange. I'll be looking forward to this clarification of LOA 19.
Carl
04-25-2008, 03:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
Jiffy,
Others on this thread have stated that the DALPA Chairman meant that NWA pilots will be Delta pilots in "spirit" only, and that we won't really be Delta pilots until an SLI and combined contract. An interesting interpretation of DALPA's statement.
Carl
Others on this thread have stated that the DALPA Chairman meant that NWA pilots will be Delta pilots in "spirit" only, and that we won't really be Delta pilots until an SLI and combined contract. An interesting interpretation of DALPA's statement.
Carl
04-25-2008, 04:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Justdoinmyjob
At the roadshow, LM mentioned that we were or would all be Delta pilots several times and never used the words "in spirit only." As a matter of fact, the tone I got from them was that they already consider us all Delta pilots, there is just the "small" matter of a joint contract and SLI to make it official.
Here's hoping for the best.
Carl
04-25-2008, 06:27 PM
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Here are some relevant sections of LOA 19.
Amend Section 1 D. 8. d. to read:
d. during the interim period the aircraft (including owned aircraft, leased aircraft, and all orders to purchase aircraft) of each pre-merger airline will remain separated. Such pre-merger aircraft of the Company will be operated by pilots in accordance with the terms and conditions of this PWA. Such pre-merger aircraft of the acquired airline will be operated by airmen on its seniority list. Nothing in Section 1 D. 8. d. will apply to prevent the Company from removing any aircraft from the fleet of either airline. In the event aircraft are removed from either fleet prior to the operational merger the Company and its affiliates will make reasonable efforts consistent with the then existing financial and operational needs of the service, to ensure that the ratio of the total number of aircraft block hours operated by pilots to the aircraft block hours operated by airmen of the acquired airline (“block hour ratio”) is not reduced below the block hour ratio that existed on the date the Company or any affiliate acquired control of the acquired airline.
2) during the interim period, no less than X percent of all aircraft delivered to the Company of each type not operated by the Company prior to the closing date (excluding any orders by the acquired carrier, as listed in the most recent 10-K filing of that carrier (or an affiliate of that carrier) preceding the merger announcement date), will be operated by pilots in accordance with the terms and conditions of this PWA. X percent will equal the aggregate number of Company aircraft block hours divided by the combined aircraft block hours of the Company and the acquired carrier in the full twelve month period prior to the closing date.
Amend Section 1 D. 8. d. to read:
d. during the interim period the aircraft (including owned aircraft, leased aircraft, and all orders to purchase aircraft) of each pre-merger airline will remain separated. Such pre-merger aircraft of the Company will be operated by pilots in accordance with the terms and conditions of this PWA. Such pre-merger aircraft of the acquired airline will be operated by airmen on its seniority list. Nothing in Section 1 D. 8. d. will apply to prevent the Company from removing any aircraft from the fleet of either airline. In the event aircraft are removed from either fleet prior to the operational merger the Company and its affiliates will make reasonable efforts consistent with the then existing financial and operational needs of the service, to ensure that the ratio of the total number of aircraft block hours operated by pilots to the aircraft block hours operated by airmen of the acquired airline (“block hour ratio”) is not reduced below the block hour ratio that existed on the date the Company or any affiliate acquired control of the acquired airline.
2) during the interim period, no less than X percent of all aircraft delivered to the Company of each type not operated by the Company prior to the closing date (excluding any orders by the acquired carrier, as listed in the most recent 10-K filing of that carrier (or an affiliate of that carrier) preceding the merger announcement date), will be operated by pilots in accordance with the terms and conditions of this PWA. X percent will equal the aggregate number of Company aircraft block hours divided by the combined aircraft block hours of the Company and the acquired carrier in the full twelve month period prior to the closing date.
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