Spaceman Spliff

Have you taken this issue up with your MEC?

Last time I checked, the DALPA MEC is not authorized to bargain on your behalf.

I sincerely hope you are able to negotiate an even better TA than we have--it will only raise the bar for our combined PWA down the road.

But in the meantime, take it up with your MEC negotiators--and put the blame where it belongs.

Carl Spackler

Space,

DALPA did indeed bargain on our behalf. The changes to scope in the LOA allows NWA wide bodies to continue flying after the merger is closed. Without it NWA wide bodies would have had to stop flying. Also, the LOA contains pay rates for NWA aircraft.

As I've said earlier DALPA did bargain for us. They just didn't go far enough, such as a no furlough clause that pertains to BOTH groups.

Carl

Justdoinmyjob

No, thats what the JOINT contract negotiations are for. We negotiated an LOA, which is nothing more than an addendum to the current DL contract. I didn't know that our current contract covered any other carriers. I guess we could negotiate a contract which includes you, without any input from you, but then your MEC might feel marginalized.

Carl Spackler

Your LOA is a lot more than an addendum to the DALPA contract. Your DALPA LOA changes scope that affects NWA wides bodies, and your LOA affects pay rates for NWA aircraft.

You already did negotiate for us and without any input from us. You just didn't go far enough.

Carl

Deez340

Carl I know your smarter than this! DALPA has the power to negotiate its own PWA whose scope sections have an ancillary effect on the operations of companies Delta does business with. It has no power to affect changes to your PWA or alter your companies operations beyond what is contained or omitted from the DALPA scope section.

Ergo, SCOPE EFFECTS DO NOT CONSTITUTE AN ABILITY TO NEGOTIATE PAY AND BENEFITS FOR OTHER PILOT GROUPS.

By your rational DALPA should also negotiate pay and benefits for ASA, SkyWest, and Comair as DALPA's scope sections effect their operations as well.

I believe your logic is clouded by your misplaced frustrations. If you feel your interests aren't being protected than direct your ire at those who represent you and have the power (although so far not the desire) to get you what you want out of this merger. It's happening with or without us.

Carl Spackler

If that's what you need to rationalize what DALPA has done, so be it. If there is no agreement after the merger closes, capacity reductions are all but certain and any furloughs associated with that will be NWA pilots only. You would not have had the ability to do this without it being decided that Delta would be the acquiring carrier. Once that decision was made, DALPA pressed the advantage and obtained maximum leverage. It was a perfect way to treat an adversary or an enemy. It was no way to treat a soon to be "union brother."

So please, continue on thinking it was done only with the most altruistic of motives. There are dozens of DAL pilots here to continue the echo chamber. There's clearly nothing I can say that will make you see another side.

Carl

tsquare

Carl, do not ever say SO BE IT to a Delta pilot. Another RA used those 3 words once, and it almost resulted in another burning of Atlanta.

BTW... it's a joke... I'll 'splain it to you over a beer sometime. (you're buyin)

alfaromeo

Carl,

Can you tell me what the Northwest MEC has ever done to negotiate improvements for the Delta pilots? If you don't like our pay rates, negotiate your own pay rates. Somehow you think the mission of the Delta MEC is to look out for you. Look out for yourself. By the way, tell me which part of our scope affects NWA wide body flying. You throw out this ridiculous premise but have nothing to back it up. If you want parity with our contract, tell your MEC to quit whining in the media and in their council e-mails and start negotiating. You guys are starting to look just a little pathetic.


Rich

reddog25

Carl doesn't represent the majority of NWA pilots (His AVTAR states he is a 747-400 CA). I too believe our MEC screwed the pooch on this one. I for one do not begrudge the DAL pilots for improving their contract. We chose our course, now we must accept that consequences and wait for binding arbitration. Until there is a SLI and one contract we both must fly our contracts.

Deez340

Hopefully we can get everything worked out before the LOA goes into effect. I ready to hold hands with the willing, sing Kum Bah Yah, and go make some money.