A newspaper's summation of DAL/NWA
#31
I'll try one last time with you and then I'm done. Please read slowly...You say DALPA has no authority to renegotiate OUR contract. I've never said they did. What I HAVE said is that DALPA already DID negotiate on our BEHALF when DALPA negotiated an LOA that has a scope change that DIRECTLY affects NWA's ability to continue flying wide bodies on international routes. DALPA also DID negotiate pay rates for NWA aircraft when they signed LOA 19. Get it..it's not that hard.
Now here's the point: It's not that DALPA has any authority to renegotiate our contract. My point is: Since DALPA negotiated an LOA that directly affects NWA pilots, renegotiate THAT LOA to provide for shared furloughs and escrowed pay raises.
I don't know how to explain it any clearer. You'll either see another side to this or you won't.
Carl
Now here's the point: It's not that DALPA has any authority to renegotiate our contract. My point is: Since DALPA negotiated an LOA that directly affects NWA pilots, renegotiate THAT LOA to provide for shared furloughs and escrowed pay raises.
I don't know how to explain it any clearer. You'll either see another side to this or you won't.
Carl
Carl,
Here's the disagreement as I see it.
1)The scope language that was changed would affect any carrier that DAL merged with, not just NWA.
2)The pay rates for the 747, 330 etc. were generic aircraft, not NWA aircraft specifically.
Of course in reality these changes were designed to accommidate this particular merger, but they are still changes to the DAL contract and only the DAL contract.
Getting NW guys pay raises or equity or furlough protection would require changes to your contract. Explain to me the wording of a LOA that would give these things to the other pilot group before they are operating as one. If it were to say that NW can't furlough guys after the merger then the current NWA management would have to sign off on it now. And right now, DAPA can't negotiate with them.
#32
Well, I actually think your Chairman meant what he said. At this point I believe you're reading something else into what he said. If not, then he is some kind of Clintonesque "it depends on what the meaning of the word 'is' is. Right now I choose to believe his printed words.
Carl
Carl
Who's contract?
Who's version of the SLI?
#33
Carl,
Here's the disagreement as I see it.
1)The scope language that was changed would affect any carrier that DAL merged with, not just NWA.
2)The pay rates for the 747, 330 etc. were generic aircraft, not NWA aircraft specifically.
Of course in reality these changes were designed to accommidate this particular merger, but they are still changes to the DAL contract and only the DAL contract.
Getting NW guys pay raises or equity or furlough protection would require changes to your contract. Explain to me the wording of a LOA that would give these things to the other pilot group before they are operating as one. If it were to say that NW can't furlough guys after the merger then the current NWA management would have to sign off on it now. And right now, DAPA can't negotiate with them.
Here's the disagreement as I see it.
1)The scope language that was changed would affect any carrier that DAL merged with, not just NWA.
2)The pay rates for the 747, 330 etc. were generic aircraft, not NWA aircraft specifically.
Of course in reality these changes were designed to accommidate this particular merger, but they are still changes to the DAL contract and only the DAL contract.
Getting NW guys pay raises or equity or furlough protection would require changes to your contract. Explain to me the wording of a LOA that would give these things to the other pilot group before they are operating as one. If it were to say that NW can't furlough guys after the merger then the current NWA management would have to sign off on it now. And right now, DAPA can't negotiate with them.
Carl
#34
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Carl, i was able to negotiate LOA 9999, for ONLY nwa pilots. we will now experience TOTAL CONSCIOUSNESS on Jan 1 2009 (the dal pilots can keep their first pay raise). so now we have that going for us, which is nice.....you can buy me a beer in camp narita this summer for it..... also, the best news yet!!! i secured in our intense and sometimes heated negotiations your immediate promotion to head greens-keeper, with a 9.5 % equity stake in the country club for every year it is gopher-free. Beat that.
#35
Carl
#36
Carl, i was able to negotiate LOA 9999, for ONLY nwa pilots. we will now experience TOTAL CONSCIOUSNESS on Jan 1 2009 (the dal pilots can keep their first pay raise). so now we have that going for us, which is nice.....you can buy me a beer in camp narita this summer for it..... also, the best news yet!!! i secured in our intense and sometimes heated negotiations your immediate promotion to head greens-keeper, with a 9.5 % equity stake in the country club for every year it is gopher-free. Beat that.
#37
The LOA 19 already DID have a bearing on NWA. Your scope changes allow our wide bodies to fly internationally. Without the scope changes we would have to PARK wide bodies from Northwest Airlines because of an LOA signed by Delta Airlines and DALPA. I'm not asking for you to negotiate a new LOA, I'm asking to amend the one you ALREADY signed. You know, the one that DIRECTLY affects NWA. And why would NWA have to sign off on it, they didn't sign off on LOA 19 did they?
Carl
Carl
#38
Come on, Carl. We let you fly your wide bodies. What more do you want? Very big TIC
#39
If you are right, and we are all one group under one contract the day the merger goes through, then LOA 19 is yours as well. You get the pay bump, the equity stake and furlough protection the day we merge.
Sorry for being so thick headed...
I'm goin' to watch Top Chef
#40
Because as numerous folks have said, this merger is going to happen, as Steenland requested of DAL management... "without the pilots (sic) participation". Where do you think that would have left management's options? You can bet there would have been some NWA flying pulled down in order to facilitate the deal. But I could be wrong. If you meant something else, pleeeeeease enlighten me. because for the life of me I do not understand where you are coming from...
Carl
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