What are "prevailing equities"
11-04-2008 | 01:25 AM
#101
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When my mortgage is due my payrate is most decidedly not meaningless. How your pilot group came to arrive at their rate may be water under the bridge, but what that rate currently stands at is huge. Both in QOL and what they may or may not bring to the table. As long as one of the companies involved in a merger is not "circling the bowl" as neither of us are, then from where I stand it matters not how much NW or DL made in the last quarter. I care about how much of that profit you saw in your paycheck. DAL's quarterly reports don't mean a damn to me as long as they are black. What my W-2 says reflects the QOL of my wife & kids. So I expect that W-2 and QOL to stay exactly the same or better than they were before.
Why wouldn't they? This aquisition is a good thing for everybody right?
11-04-2008 | 03:43 AM
#102
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yeah, keep believing that. You know, of all the stuff I have read by NWA pilots on various forums, you are the only one who seems to think that ALPA merger policy does not apply here.
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11-04-2008 | 05:36 AM
#103
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Carl,
You really need to start understanding the mindset of the Delta bureaucracy. Regardless of the fact that RA was former NW and half the senior executive suite is former NW, the management minions, much like the eunuchs of the old Chinese Emperors, are the true decision makers.
The ATL airport is incapable of handling the A380, and there are no plans to ever modify the infastructure to do so. Accordingly, DL will not operate the A380 because, even though LAX and JFK can handle it, ATL can't and therefore DL's eunuchs, not being able to see beyond the borders of their fiefdoms, will determine that we don't need it.
You really need to start understanding the mindset of the Delta bureaucracy. Regardless of the fact that RA was former NW and half the senior executive suite is former NW, the management minions, much like the eunuchs of the old Chinese Emperors, are the true decision makers.
The ATL airport is incapable of handling the A380, and there are no plans to ever modify the infastructure to do so. Accordingly, DL will not operate the A380 because, even though LAX and JFK can handle it, ATL can't and therefore DL's eunuchs, not being able to see beyond the borders of their fiefdoms, will determine that we don't need it.
11-04-2008 | 06:59 AM
#104
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From: Douglas Aerospace post production Flight Test & Work Around Engineering bulletin dissembler
The 380 is like the Concorde, just bigger. It is built and owned for reasons of national pride. It isn't a money maker.
If it was about profit, do you think Airlines would be installing hotel rooms, showers, a jacuzzi and spa facilities?
Delta is here to make money. We need it to make money.
If it was about profit, do you think Airlines would be installing hotel rooms, showers, a jacuzzi and spa facilities?
Delta is here to make money. We need it to make money.
11-04-2008 | 09:13 PM
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[QUOTE=Scoop;491522]
Scoop wasn't the travesty the concessionary contract that brought the 2 payscales together?
I thought United used to max out at around $350 for the 747 and around $300 for the 777 prior to the concessions?
I can promise you one thing Scoop - NWA pilots ratified the JCBA IN SPITE of the way those pay rates combined aircraft. The 747 being paid the same as a 777 even though the 747 carries over 100 more passengers made it pretty clear that DAL couldn't tolerate NWA operating an aircraft that would pay more than a 777. It was made all the more grating now that DALPA has made pay part of the equation for the SLI proposal.
Carl,
The only other US passenger carrier that flies both the 747 and 777 is UAL and guess what the pay rate is? The same! This rate was calculated by a single unified ALPA Pilot group who realized the 777 is the future and 747 is the past. Why would the UAL pilot group commit such a travesty? Could they not see what the NW pilots see, which is what exactly, that compensation should be based on seats exclusivley and not take other factors such as the newest equipment into account.? I hope not, because planes are certianly going to keep getting newer but not necessarily bigger.
And Super it was the same before the concessions. Lets face it the 747 was the biggest and best in 1970, now its just big and old. It is no longer the biggest, it doesn't fly the farthest or carry the most. In its heday it was the King, the biggest baddest thing around but then again thats when the F-4 ruled the skies.
Scoop
Carl,
The only other US passenger carrier that flies both the 747 and 777 is UAL and guess what the pay rate is? The same! This rate was calculated by a single unified ALPA Pilot group who realized the 777 is the future and 747 is the past. Why would the UAL pilot group commit such a travesty? Could they not see what the NW pilots see, which is what exactly, that compensation should be based on seats exclusivley and not take other factors such as the newest equipment into account.? I hope not, because planes are certianly going to keep getting newer but not necessarily bigger.
And Super it was the same before the concessions. Lets face it the 747 was the biggest and best in 1970, now its just big and old. It is no longer the biggest, it doesn't fly the farthest or carry the most. In its heday it was the King, the biggest baddest thing around but then again thats when the F-4 ruled the skies.
Scoop
I thought United used to max out at around $350 for the 747 and around $300 for the 777 prior to the concessions?
11-04-2008 | 09:19 PM
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Nu,
Why should the 330 be paired with the 777?
Current 12 year Capt rates are:
A 330 - $162/hour
767-400 $181/hour
Joint payrates ratified overwhelmingly by NW Pilots:
A 330- $182
767-400 $ 189
Unless its that "Super Premium" factor which we cannot put a price on. As a matter of fact its "priceless."
Scoop
Why should the 330 be paired with the 777?
Current 12 year Capt rates are:A 330 - $162/hour
767-400 $181/hour
Joint payrates ratified overwhelmingly by NW Pilots:
A 330- $182
767-400 $ 189
Unless its that "Super Premium" factor which we cannot put a price on. As a matter of fact its "priceless."
Scoop
Isn't the A330-300 actually larger than both the 767-400 and 777?
11-05-2008 | 03:57 AM
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11-05-2008 | 06:22 AM
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[quote=Eric Stratton;492045]
Eric,
The concessions lowered all payrates the same %.
Scoop
The concessions lowered all payrates the same %.
Scoop
11-05-2008 | 07:55 AM
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