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11-08-2008 | 03:38 PM
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Actually I do care Eric, but before I make my statement, I am going to preface this with the fact that there is NOTHING I can do to prevent or influence anything that is going on in the hearings and/or negotiations. That being said: I do care since NWA doesn't have anything that is comparable to the 767ER in their fleet; which means that whether we go DOH or relative seniority or alphabetically or by height, narrow body NWA captains will be able to hold widebody international seats whereas they could not before. We can argue till the cows come home about the similarities/differences between the 747-777 and the 330 -767-400. But the fact is that NWA has nothing in the same weight/speed/seat makeup that compares to the 767ER. And frankly all that garbage about "super-premium flying" is laughable at best.. sad at worst. I find it amusing, hence my uber premium comment. It has no substance. 
Why is the 76ER included with the 757 and not the 764?
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11-09-2008 | 07:33 AM
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From: Douglas Aerospace post production Flight Test & Work Around Engineering bulletin dissembler
Eric,
The 767ER is included with the 757 because when the airline wanted to operate both types ALPA said, OK if you bring the 757 up to the 767's pay.
My pay category is 76B, there is no 75B. When you see a Delta 757, think 767 because it pays 767.
The 787 is most similar to a 767ER in capacity, isn't it? So NWA was heading that direction.
The 767ER is included with the 757 because when the airline wanted to operate both types ALPA said, OK if you bring the 757 up to the 767's pay.
My pay category is 76B, there is no 75B. When you see a Delta 757, think 767 because it pays 767.
The 787 is most similar to a 767ER in capacity, isn't it? So NWA was heading that direction.
11-09-2008 | 11:04 AM
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Eric,
The 767ER is included with the 757 because when the airline wanted to operate both types ALPA said, OK if you bring the 757 up to the 767's pay.
My pay category is 76B, there is no 75B. When you see a Delta 757, think 767 because it pays 767.
The 787 is most similar to a 767ER in capacity, isn't it? So NWA was heading that direction.
The 767ER is included with the 757 because when the airline wanted to operate both types ALPA said, OK if you bring the 757 up to the 767's pay.
My pay category is 76B, there is no 75B. When you see a Delta 757, think 767 because it pays 767.
The 787 is most similar to a 767ER in capacity, isn't it? So NWA was heading that direction.
11-10-2008 | 09:19 AM
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Eric,
The 767ER is included with the 757 because when the airline wanted to operate both types ALPA said, OK if you bring the 757 up to the 767's pay.
My pay category is 76B, there is no 75B. When you see a Delta 757, think 767 because it pays 767.
The 787 is most similar to a 767ER in capacity, isn't it? So NWA was heading that direction.
The 767ER is included with the 757 because when the airline wanted to operate both types ALPA said, OK if you bring the 757 up to the 767's pay.
My pay category is 76B, there is no 75B. When you see a Delta 757, think 767 because it pays 767.
The 787 is most similar to a 767ER in capacity, isn't it? So NWA was heading that direction.
When compared to other delta aircraft the 76ER is $21/$14 (CA/FO) less than the 764 (widebody)and only $6/$4 more than the 737NG (narrow body).
United does it the same as delta but Continental and American both have them separate. NWA does have the 787 on order but they put it's pay on the widebody side and not closer to the 757.
11-10-2008 | 12:02 PM
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The 757 and 767 at Delta used to have different payrates. In fact there were different payrates for the 757, 767-200, 767-300 and 767-300ER. In the 01 contract ALPA proposal was for the same percentage differences in the pay rates. The company made a counter offer to bring all the aircraft to the same rate with the 767-300ER getting the same percentage increase as all the other aircraft on the property and the 757, 767-200, 76-300 getting slightly higher percentage increases. There has been much discussion about this and why the company offered but it would have been very hard for ALPA to turn down and request lower payrates on those aircraft.
11-10-2008 | 02:49 PM
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It's not. (unless of course you are talking to capncrunch). The 757 is included with the 76ER. It's a matter of perspective. If the 757 is included with the 76ER, it brings the NWA 757s up to DAL status of the aircraft. If the 76ER is included with the 757, it downgrades the ER to fit the lame argument of super duper uber ultra gigantico premium flying that capncrunch would have you buy into. I don't care what he thinks really... I know that he and his fellow narrowbody guys are (regardless of methodology) going to be able to hold widebody flying that they cannot now hold.
The 764 is a different animal avionics wise. Different glass and cockpit setup. It is actually more similar to the 777.
The 764 is a different animal avionics wise. Different glass and cockpit setup. It is actually more similar to the 777.
11-10-2008 | 04:10 PM
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If the 747 could take a dump, it would be bigger than the 767.
11-10-2008 | 04:13 PM
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11-10-2008 | 04:40 PM
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The 757 and 767 at Delta used to have different payrates. In fact there were different payrates for the 757, 767-200, 767-300 and 767-300ER. In the 01 contract ALPA proposal was for the same percentage differences in the pay rates. The company made a counter offer to bring all the aircraft to the same rate with the 767-300ER getting the same percentage increase as all the other aircraft on the property and the 757, 767-200, 76-300 getting slightly higher percentage increases. There has been much discussion about this and why the company offered but it would have been very hard for ALPA to turn down and request lower payrates on those aircraft.
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11-10-2008 | 05:19 PM
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It's not. (unless of course you are talking to capncrunch). The 757 is included with the 76ER. It's a matter of perspective. If the 757 is included with the 76ER, it brings the NWA 757s up to DAL status of the aircraft. If the 76ER is included with the 757, it downgrades the ER to fit the lame argument of super duper uber ultra gigantico premium flying that capncrunch would have you buy into. I don't care what he thinks really... I know that he and his fellow narrowbody guys are (regardless of methodology) going to be able to hold widebody flying that they cannot now hold.
The 764 is a different animal avionics wise. Different glass and cockpit setup. It is actually more similar to the 777.
The 764 is a different animal avionics wise. Different glass and cockpit setup. It is actually more similar to the 777.
I was just wondering why it isn't included with the 764. When I saw the difference in pay between the 764, 76ER/757 and the 737NG I was surprised to see the 756 closer to the 737 than the 764.
The 764 is different than the 76ER but it is also the same type rating with just a differences class while the 777 is a different type.
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