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capncrunch 11-20-2008 03:52 PM


Originally Posted by Eric Stratton (Post 502755)
Aren't the 9's that nwa planned on parking already parked?

If Delta plans to park more 9's then that's delta's plan just like if they take 9's out of the desert.

Thanks for using logic but that will not penetrate their lop sided push for windfall seniority and a staple backer.

johnso29 11-20-2008 04:01 PM


Originally Posted by Eric Stratton (Post 502755)
Aren't the 9's that nwa planned on parking already parked?

If Delta plans to park more 9's then that's delta's plan just like if they take 9's out of the desert.

Stop using logic and common sense. There's no room for that with many of the pilots on this forum.

satchip 11-20-2008 04:33 PM


Originally Posted by Eric Stratton (Post 502755)
Aren't the 9's that nwa planned on parking already parked?

If Delta plans to park more 9's then that's delta's plan just like if they take 9's out of the desert.

So after the SLI and DCC if anyone retires they are Delta retirements and Delta pilots benefit equally? Hmmmm....... Hoist with one's own petard, Capn.

reddog25 11-20-2008 10:08 PM


Originally Posted by Scoop (Post 502269)
Red,
You are basically arguing to keep the good but spread the bad. I think this is a tough argument to sell.

Scoop


Perhaps, but I don't think so. Any new airplane added after DCC should be shared 1:1, and any parking / furloughs should be shared 1:1 No?

satchip 11-21-2008 03:15 AM


Originally Posted by reddog25 (Post 503145)
Perhaps, but I don't think so. Any new airplane added after DCC should be shared 1:1, and any parking / furloughs should be shared 1:1 No?


Once again, then any retirement should be shared 1:1. This is our point. You want the to keep the equity of attrition all to yourselves but want to share the negative equity equally. And you have the unmitigated gall to call our proposal an "outrageous seniority grab"! Don't give that crap about "I lose 800 or 1000 numbers under DAL's proposal". I loose 4400 numbers under ours and over 5000 under yours. Both arguments are disingenuous. It's not about the number but what the number will buy. You may have a smaller number but that number will buy you twice as many wide body airplanes, 10 times as many international destinations, not to mention a big ole fat pay raise!

Your MEC was caught speeding (to say the least) and y'all's reaction sounds a lot like my 6 year old. Wasn't me, it's a mistake, the other guy did it! If your objective was to win at all costs, by any means available, then you have been well reperesented. The honest fair ones among you, hopefully are appalled.

You guys are right, the list is done. Further arguments are fruitless. Kinda like the Seahawks still complaining about that Super Bowl against the "Stealers". (Shout out to you Denny!). My only hope is this combined entity will be big and strong enough in these uncertain economic times that it smooths over and alleviates any inequities either percieved or real in the upcomming list.

capncrunch 11-21-2008 09:47 AM


Originally Posted by satchip (Post 503189)
Once again, then any retirement should be shared 1:1.

Give us a reasonable seniority list and you got a deal. Go for windfall seniority and a staple, no deal.

capncrunch 11-21-2008 09:52 AM


Originally Posted by satchip (Post 503189)
You may have a smaller number but that number will buy you twice as many wide body airplanes, 10 times as many international destinations...

Not really. If we go with your windfall/relative seniority then all we get is a bunch of younger delta pilots ahead of us in those positions and we will never get there.

Denny Crane 11-21-2008 10:10 AM

Satchip,

You are right those "Stealers" did "steel" that Superbowl.....with a little bit of help from the black and white striped brigade.....!!!!!!!:D:D

My hopes have certainly been crushed this season!!!

Denny

sailingfun 11-21-2008 03:29 PM


Originally Posted by Eric Stratton (Post 502755)
Aren't the 9's that nwa planned on parking already parked?

If Delta plans to park more 9's then that's delta's plan just like if they take 9's out of the desert.

NWA started the year with about 100 DC-9's. The original fleet plan had them down to 68 by year end. A fleet plan revision in late spring changed that number to 62 at year end. I called a NWA friend and he believes they have about 70 left now so there are 8 more to be parked in the next month. He has heard of no plans not to park those aircraft. On a somewhat related note Delta is bringing 4 MD-88's out of storage to replace RJ flying.

Ferd149 11-21-2008 03:44 PM

Sailing,

Anything new on the hunt for MD90s?


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