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Old 11-20-2008 | 03:57 AM
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Originally Posted by buzzpat
All I'm looking for is to stay on my equipment, at my base, with relative seniority to where I am now. I have a nice life and get my weekends off.

I don't want to fly 747s and I don't want to move. For 99.9% of the guys I fly with, that's their sentiment as well. No better, no worse would be fine with me.
I have been through two mergers and I can tell you that this is not true. Just at the NWA pilots keep telling us that the 550 NWA Pilots living in the SE don't want to fly out of Atlanta any Delta pilot saying he would not want to fly the 747 is also pulling someones leg. If they post a 747 bid for Atlanta it will go very senior. When NWA pilots can bid into ATL they will come in droves if there are openings. The same thing will happen in LA and SLC. It will happen in reverse in SEA with Delta pilots moving into that base in big numbers if spots open up.
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Old 11-20-2008 | 04:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
Opus,

Finally thought of a group of Delta pilots that agree completely with NWA's SLI position.

Delta has a handful of pilots who were transfers in from other Departments and Subsidiaries who began flying for Delta in 2007. They have hire dates anywhere from 1984 to 2005. I am sure they would be overjoyed with DOH integration.

If DOH were to happen, I'm sure someone would object to a junior 88FO going to the left seat of the Airbus. The law of unintended consequences always applies somewhere.
This is not how a seniority list is merged even under a DOH system. There is never leap frogging allowed by pilots on their own lists. The first step in a integration is to rationalize each list with the same methods. This is where we account for how NWA and Delta deal with pilots on sick, disibility and leaves. You agree on a common method and apply that method to both lists. Then you go through the lists and give a constructive DOH to pilots who either via previous mergers or prior company service have DOH's that don't match their actual seniority. If the arbitrators award DOH it is the constructive DOH that would be used. Relative postion among pilots on your list does not change.
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Old 11-20-2008 | 06:52 AM
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Sailingfun,

I can only speak for myself and I can say from purely a pilot career standpoint with no extenuating circumstances, flying the 747 would be at the apex of a career. But nobody lives in a vacuum and there are extenuating circumstances that will lead to alot of Delta pilots bypassing the opportunity to fly the 747 if it arises. (My self included here)

Now, if a SEA base opens on the 76er, all bets are off!!!! I think VERY senior guys will come out of the woodwork for that!!!

Denny
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Old 11-20-2008 | 07:26 AM
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Denny, Sailing,

Thank you for being honest. You now have my respect!
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Old 11-20-2008 | 08:43 AM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
This is not how a seniority list is merged even under a DOH system. There is never leap frogging allowed by pilots on their own lists. The first step in a integration is to rationalize each list with the same methods. This is where we account for how NWA and Delta deal with pilots on sick, disibility and leaves.
My post was intended as a joke. But since you point it out, at final rebuttal there was no agreement at all on "accounting for how NWA and Delta deal with pilots on sick, disibility and leaves." Either NWA was dishonest, or ill prepared. Either way, it concerns me that Bloch and the Panel might be going into the preparation of the list with bad data.

That casts a cloud of illegitimacy on the whole process. Their work can only be as good as the data provided and it requires the upmost good faith from both sides.

I'd almost prefer management do the SLI. You know the outcome would be status quo simply because they don't want to incur the expense of training pilots.
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Old 11-20-2008 | 12:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Denny Crane
Sailingfun,

I can only speak for myself and I can say from purely a pilot career standpoint with no extenuating circumstances, flying the 747 would be at the apex of a career. But nobody lives in a vacuum and there are extenuating circumstances that will lead to alot of Delta pilots bypassing the opportunity to fly the 747 if it arises. (My self included here)

Now, if a SEA base opens on the 76er, all bets are off!!!! I think VERY senior guys will come out of the woodwork for that!!!

Denny
Denny, the apex of a career humm! anyway yes I did work at getting you wrapped around the axel, I have watched Carl Spakler and decided I couldn't let him have all the fun! This was better than chasing a cat with a vacume cleaner! I will see what other buttons I can push later LOL!
By the way I may someday have to go slumming and bid the ER if they put it in SEA. Always fun to hear from you... Molon Labe!
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Old 11-20-2008 | 01:44 PM
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Molon,

I should have added 777 along with the 747 for the apex comment. But, like I said, there are many factors that determine what one bids.

If we do get an ER base in SEA, and I can hold it (big question!!!!), maybe I'll see you there because I'll be the one wearing a big sign on my back that says CHUMP!!!

Denny
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Old 11-20-2008 | 05:34 PM
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It's nice to see a guy with a sense of humor Denny, the first 2 rounds are on me. Molon Labe!
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Old 11-20-2008 | 08:49 PM
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the thing is it won't necessarily be Nwa pilots just switching to dal bases for the bases themselves, it will be Nwa pilots switching to dal bases because that's where the Nwa planes will be moving to and vice versa. Cheers guys
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Old 11-20-2008 | 10:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
I'd almost prefer management do the SLI. You know the outcome would be status quo simply because they don't want to incur the expense of training pilots.
As a new Delta pilot, fitted and looking forward to my Delta uniform, I'm just curious where can you get the Kool Aid that you drink? Is there a special rate and if so is it automaticly deducted from your paycheck?
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