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NuGuy 01-09-2009 11:58 AM


Originally Posted by Bucking Bar (Post 534522)
FedEx just got Parkas with Hoodies.

Anyone question their professionalism because they are smart enough to dress appropriately for the conditions?

What kind of walk around inspections does any airline expect to get when they send FO's out in -18. but dressed for 50 degree weather?

Heyas BB,

Yea, I kind of noticed that the people who complained the most about the jackets were the ones who never had to do walk arounds in the -20 weather in MSP.

You can hide under the pack heat exchanger outlet for only so long before someone misses you.

Nu

alfaromeo 01-09-2009 01:04 PM


Originally Posted by NuGuy (Post 534523)
Heyas guys,

Thanks for the info on the training. How are you guys notified for CQ? Does it show up in the computer? I know you can designate "must have off days"...how is that done?

Also, if you are based in ATL, do you still get a PS pass to training (assuming training is in ATL)? Or are you on your own for that? At NWA, we self-list positive space to training with no real interaction from training scheduling. The only thing you need to do is call and verify your hotel location (we have in MSP). Whats the DAL procedure?

Question about deadheading: At NWA, we get our locator numbers in ACCESS (our version of DBMS). We can use those to check in online or at a kiosk to get our boarding passes (or change seats if we want). There's always the gate, but it's a lot better to avoid the line. Since we're all going to probably be doing a lot of deadheading, I figured this would be good to know.

If you don't want to post it here, that's cool..but send me a PM if you can help...

Nu

You enter your CQ "Golden days" on the computer, you get a notification when you are up for your training cycle to help remind you. I forget about 90% of the time anyway.

I think you get PS passes to CQ training, but no hotel (you do get a hotel for upgrade training). I am not based in ATL so someone else will have to help you on that.

You can do the same thing on Travelnet and delta.com. If you are deadheading, the reservation will be a generic "Crew" listing. You can go on Travelnet, go to the Company Business tab, and then enter your rotation (pairing) data. You will then be listed by name on the reservation, and you will get your record locator.

If you are going to training, it will already be in your name and you can see your record locator (look under the "My Reservations" tab.

After you have your record locator, you can go online at delta.com and input your first name, last name, and record locator and then you can change your seats just like a real passenger. I don't think you can check in online with a postive space seat, I have always had to use the kiosk when I get to the airport.

Hope this helps.

BlaineFaban 01-09-2009 01:07 PM


Thanks for the info on the training. How are you guys notified for CQ? Does it show up in the computer? I know you can designate "must have off days"...how is that done?
Yes, via computer. If you are going to be scheduled for CQ, you will be notified by the 5th of the month prior to the bid period. IOW for the july bid period, you will be notified by the 5th of june. Prior to the first of june, or the first of any three months you can possibly have CQ, you can designate up to 5 consecutive days which you do not wish to be scheduled for CQ via DBMS.


Also, if you are based in ATL, do you still get a PS pass to training (assuming training is in ATL)? Or are you on your own for that? At NWA, we self-list positive space to training with no real interaction from training scheduling. The only thing you need to do is call and verify your hotel location (we have in MSP). Whats the DAL procedure?
Yes, you get pos space to and from training. You merely call the jumpseat desk, and they will book it for you if it is online or a wholly owned. If you get the reservation number, you can then check in at a kiosk. You do not get a hotel in ATL if you are based in ATL for CQ. You do get one for qualification training if you are based in Atlanta or not.

sailingfun 01-09-2009 04:16 PM

There was a plan in place and they were working on a system where you would bid for your training days. That has been put on hold because of the programming involved. Every IT guy is involved in merger issues now. Hopefully once the merger is done we can put this system into place so you have some control over when you go.

Ferd149 01-09-2009 05:14 PM


Originally Posted by Hawaii50 (Post 534460)
Good to hear he's a good guy. I was surprised though since you don't have any 767s. We've had a very professional and ultra big picture, we fly the jet, don't build it, 767 training dept., IMO, so far. I'd hate to see that change.

Yeah we're big picture training too, just trying to say he is a real smart guy:D.


Originally Posted by Hawaii50 (Post 534460)
You guys have the Capt load the box on every leg? Here, as you've noticed, the PF loads the box and the PM checks it. It's a nice set up because basically the guys switch jobs (I didn't say responsibility) on every leg. Most times here the Capt will do the walk around on the FOs leg as well. At least where I work. FOs do all engine starts, run checklists, PAs etc on the ground. Operations Manual Vol.1 NP 10.4-10.9 breaks out crew duties. Guess there'll be plenty of change for all in this. Guess I should be happy I don't have to figure out a new uniform. Any word on leather jackets/no hats?

A Capt do a walk around? That will stop! Just kidding, our's do some too, just real rare.

I always find it interesting how companies can be so different doing the same stuff on the same airplane. For example, I jumpseat on AA 757s now and then and they start engines EXACTLY BACKWARDS from the way we do. What I do the Capt does and and the FOs do what our Capts do, go figure. It will be fun, especially the call outs.......there will be more than one of your Capts that will talk about the moron Ferd:eek:

The hat and the leather jacket issue is dead and as cold as a MSP walkaround. Delta management would not even discuss it from what I was told.......not the "brand". In fact, the leather jackets that were purchased from the approved vendor, have been purchased back from guys who wanted to sell them and donated to a charity.

See you guys in the sim, and no laughing..............

Ferd

8CherryGarcia 01-09-2009 06:35 PM

Flown most recently on the 757 and the DC-9. I have JS'd on Delta's 757's over last summer and just the other day on a Delta MD-88...nicest group of guys I could hope to merge with...metaphorically speaking :)

Biggest difference I could see was in the starting engines stuff...on the -9 at NW, the Capt. does it all ..near as I could tell, we will be letting the FO do just about everything until the end of the runway. I don't have much of a problem either way.

I definitely see the safety of the Capt. getting the "big" picture while the FO pushes all the buttons.

And on the 757, I can say that having the PM doing all the FMC stuff leads to confusion sometimes..I'd be interested in hearing from some of the early 757/767 drivers of the early 80's talk about what it was designed to be like. I too, liked the 757 CP guy from NW...I think he will be able to accomodate all good ideas.

One thing that struck me was how similar the general attitudes were. And I've JS"d on a bunch of other Airlines. Everyone here will be focused on the differences, but stop, drop, and think about how relatively close we are.

Holy Kumbaya!

8

Fly4hire 01-10-2009 05:46 AM


Originally Posted by NuGuy (Post 534524)
Heyas BB,

Yea, I kind of noticed that the people who complained the most about the jackets were the ones who never had to do walk arounds in the -20 weather in MSP.

You can hide under the pack heat exchanger outlet for only so long before someone misses you.

Nu

What, you don't like the MSP issue body-condom? Is there a ear-muff attachment for the U-boat commander hat? :D

Wasatch Phantom 01-10-2009 07:06 AM


Originally Posted by 8CherryGarcia (Post 534746)
Flown most recently on the 757 and the DC-9. I have JS'd on Delta's 757's over last summer and just the other day on a Delta MD-88...nicest group of guys I could hope to merge with...metaphorically speaking :)

Biggest difference I could see was in the starting engines stuff...on the -9 at NW, the Capt. does it all ..near as I could tell, we will be letting the FO do just about everything until the end of the runway. I don't have much of a problem either way.

I definitely see the safety of the Capt. getting the "big" picture while the FO pushes all the buttons.

And on the 757, I can say that having the PM doing all the FMC stuff leads to confusion sometimes..I'd be interested in hearing from some of the early 757/767 drivers of the early 80's talk about what it was designed to be like. I too, liked the 757 CP guy from NW...I think he will be able to accomodate all good ideas.

One thing that struck me was how similar the general attitudes were. And I've JS"d on a bunch of other Airlines. Everyone here will be focused on the differences, but stop, drop, and think about how relatively close we are.

Holy Kumbaya!

8

Several years ago I flew a trip with a captain who was on DALPA's MEC. He had recently been to a ALPA national meeting and was telling me about the differences between pilots from various ALPA carriers.

His belief was that the NWA pilots were most like the DAL pilots in terms of personalities, etc.

Xray678 01-10-2009 07:57 AM


Originally Posted by 8CherryGarcia (Post 534746)
And on the 757, I can say that having the PM doing all the FMC stuff leads to confusion sometimes..I'd be interested in hearing from some of the early 757/767 drivers of the early 80's talk about what it was designed to be like.


if anyone has comments on the PM doing the FMS stuff, speak up. This battle is going on right now.

IMHO, when you make changes to the FMS, you very often are using the FMS to fly the airplane. So the PF should make the changes. Especially when doing VNAV stuff.

PF making the changes followed by PM verification is the way to go.

acl65pilot 01-10-2009 08:57 AM


Originally Posted by Xray678 (Post 534969)
if anyone has comments on the PM doing the FMS stuff, speak up. This battle is going on right now.

IMHO, when you make changes to the FMS, you very often are using the FMS to fly the airplane. So the PF should make the changes. Especially when doing VNAV stuff.

PF making the changes followed by PM verification is the way to go.

I agree 100% and it is just plain intuitive.


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