On all the aircraft I have flown at NW, if the Autopilot is NOT engaged, the PM makes all the FMS changes for heading and altitude and speed. If the Autopilot IS engaged then the PF makes the inputs. I like this system and it makes sense to have the PF do the changes while on automation, otherwise he is essentially the PF monitoring the PM :confused:

Now if you are referring to the nav inputs like a direct to or an offset, in that case the PM does the inputs, the PF verifies and the PM "executes"

Obviously with the autopilot off the PF is occupied with the controls and then it makes sense for the PM to make the inputs.

I'm probably mixed up on acronyms from being on the giant French poodle for so long so apologies in advance if you are not referring to speed altitude heading pitch roll changes on the Boeings. Damn the French...

Just my $0.02

AT DAL PF makes all inputs no matter what they are when automation on. PM will just verify it.

Believe it or not, I actually agree with you. It drives me crazy (yes it's a short drive) that I can speed intervine (as PF) but I "should" ask the PM to make the same speed change in the box.

Yes it does make since, nav changes are part of the PF duties. Guess we'll see.......like I said earlier, as far as I know we are mostly going your way. Confuse the smaller number than the bigger number.

Ferd

I would tend to agree Phantom, Up until the early nineties, both airlines had hired heavily on the military side. At that time, HR people got a hold on pretty much all corporate hiring and "Clones" started to be selected. The magic interviewers replicated themselves at each company. There will be regional differences that are both hilarious, annoying and ultimately insignificant. As an old NWA hack, our Cliff's Notes for our groups follow.
NWA Red Book-Got Mine, Gear Up!
Republic North Central, When's Oshkosh?
Southern-Jeet Yet?
AirWest-(They just short called me, some AH called in sick.(AirWest guy).

I'll welcome our new diversity, and being a southern born and bred, probably won't realize it like the "yaah sure, you betchas' will. They are great folks, it takes a while for them to lighten up, but they eventually get there.

+2

When I was furloughed from NW I flew with a group of early retirement DAL pilots at a start-up cargo operation. They were a great bunch to fly with, and were pretty much the same as the NW guys that I had flown with over the years.

Few of the pilots at either airline really wanted a merger, but we weren't consulted. I am glad, though, that the DL/NW merger is going as well as it is. It could have been much worse.

Here's hoping for a bright future for the combined list!

Agree!

You guys had the rock'en chair.........we had the Clay Fauche test. We are both seriously flawed:D

AAHHHHH........to rock or not to rock, that is the question!!!!!!:D Can't remember which I did!!!!!:D

Priceline Negotiator.........er............DennyCrane!:D

Just curious, what wast the "Clay Fauche" test?

Fauche (sp, may have been Faucher but pronounced Foosheye) was the VP for flight ops in the early to mid/late 90s. He was a not a pilot but Dr from NASA who did all types of sleep studies for them and forgot the results when he got to NWA:rolleyes:.

Anyway, he had a test we all took at Phase I (along with a general knowledge/math/puzzel test) prior to being asked back for an interview. The math etc tests were timed but this psyco test was not. I had seen it before I think and it was a version of the "Myers, Briggs" (sp) that I took with my wife at a church marriage thingie. It supposedly measured several (6 I think) personality types along a sliding scale. Introvert vs Extrovert, Thinker vs Feeler, Master vs Bater ;) (can't remember them all). I have no idea what the company was looking for but I do remember them talking about a "window". I had so many friends that were outstanding pilots who didn't get past that goofy test.....

Oh, and not the MMPI.......we took that during Phase III with the physical.

Ferd

Sometimes a cigar is only a cigar
 

I can't remember either, but I did hear that one of our Captains ran into the doc at a party once and asked him what the real story was concerning the rocking chair. He replied: "My wife bought it -- she thought it would look nice in the office. I don't know how all that other stuff got started."

Clay Foushee

He is infamous for his quote that "pilots perform better when they are fatigued"