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05-03-2010 | 04:18 AM

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contrail67

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Originally Posted by sydney5316

I think the United logo will reappear permanently as a retro look in years to come.

It is cool to see retro paint ect that has appeared on the airlines in recent past paint scemes.

If anyone knows the paint supplier I would appreciate knowing who they are .....and hope they are traded on the stock market...buy buy buy.

05-03-2010 | 04:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Captain Bligh

Just for discussion, is scope as important now? I actually think that the much larger fleet size may make scope less of an issue. What does everyone think?

You're going to have scope issues at the top end and bottom end until we stop flying airliners. If CAL's scope is relaxed then they're going to need a lot more E-Jets and long CRJs around.

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That paint is kind of hideous.

Maybe its temporary?

05-03-2010 | 04:22 AM

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SoCalGuy

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Originally Posted by contrail67

The one link above does address this and I really hope the Union stands strong...of course there are always the "black cloud" folks that will "predict" negative things.

The companies believe front-line employees will be minimally affected by the merger, with the reductions coming principally from retirements, attrition and voluntary programs.

For what it's worth, and didn't expect him to say anything less.....the 7th paragraph in a 20+ page letter/Q&A that Jeffery put out this morning in a CAL Employee Memo:

This merger will not have an immediate effect on you or your job. The regulatory review process takes quite awhile, and even after the merger occurs (which we expect to be in late 2010), it will take us until the first half of 2012 to operationally merge the two carriers. As always, however, I want to be upfront with you. Mergers do result in some job losses, particularly in non-operational positions. That part is painful, but in the long run, the merger will allow us to grow and prosper as a strong competitor, providing opportunities for advancement and the creation of new jobs. As always, we will do everything we can to mitigate job losses and work with those affected by the merger.

05-03-2010 | 04:38 AM

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I hope they keep Rhapsody in Blue! Thats like the airline song.

05-03-2010 | 04:46 AM

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Kaptain

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Cleveland

I can not believe this can be good for the CLE hub. It has appeared to be shrinking some what over the years since 911. Its poor location in the lake effect region of Lake Erie plus limited and shorter runways and lack of realestate do not make for a Global Airline hub.
I really enjoy travel thru CLE because of limited delays and hate to see it go along the way of PIT or CVG. Moving the hub to PIT would certainly be a plus for the traveling public but I don't see that happening. I welcome other opinions.

05-03-2010 | 04:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Captain Bligh

Just for discussion, is scope as important now? I actually think that the much larger fleet size may make scope less of an issue. What does everyone think?

That's the 64 billion dollar question (asked in another thread). We at AAL are very interested in the outcome. You have to remember that UAL has 1500 pilots on the street--if you guys went DOH (or something close) and used UAL's scope clause is it possible to furlough native CAL guys and recall native UAL guys?

We have still have 1800 on the street, so a scope near what CAL has is going to be better for everyone in the industry.

05-03-2010 | 04:57 AM

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Please, guys, PLEASE hold on to AT LEAST CAL's scope...

05-03-2010 | 05:01 AM

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Will the no JV clause of the CAL pilot's contract now make the Air Lingus JV illegal? I sure hope so.

05-03-2010 | 05:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Captain Bligh

Just for discussion, is scope as important now? I actually think that the much larger fleet size may make scope less of an issue. What does everyone think?

Be very scared of the word "synergy." Combining the two airlines is going to allow efficiencies that were previously unavailable. Greater efficiency means less planes requires means less pilots required.

Tightening scope may be the only way to prevent even more furloughs. Its one of the only obvious ways that pilots can make sure that more pilots are needed at mainline. Prater may go on and on about "Taking it back" but I hope you guys actually do.