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Old 08-01-2019, 04:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Granadaman View Post
If you live near DFW consider envoy, there pay just got better and you'll spend days on reserve at home not flying. If you wanna be a slave to work go to Mesa. Right now FO's are on reserve for maybe a month in DFW and fly between 80 to 100 hours per month.
Isn't that part of the point? I get what you're saying, but trying to build as much time as possible in the shortest amount of time (safely)?
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Old 08-01-2019, 05:56 AM
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If you’re still in time building mode, then Mesa is a good choice. Generally, at some point you might get tired of building time, and then you’ll perhaps regret going somewhere else where you have more time off. Of course, you can always go someplace else any time you want....
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Old 08-01-2019, 07:26 AM
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If you’re still in time building mode, then Mesa is a good choice. Generally, at some point you might get tired of building time, and then you’ll perhaps regret going somewhere else where you have more time off. Of course, you can always go someplace else any time you want....
I am definitely in the time-building mode, so I think between that and domicile, Mesa works out best.

I'd heard some not so good things about Envoy (to a previous comment) but I understand pilot forums are not the total reflection of the company. But still gives pause.

My understanding is that you "could" go somewhere else after 4 years via the United Airlines Career Path Program. Is flow to them still between 6-10 years?
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Old 08-01-2019, 07:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Granadaman View Post
If you live near DFW consider envoy, there pay just got better and you'll spend days on reserve at home not flying. If you wanna be a slave to work go to Mesa. Right now FO's are on reserve for maybe a month in DFW and fly between 80 to 100 hours per month.
He won't get DFW at Envoy. LGA as far as the eyes can see (unless he's a cadet).
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Originally Posted by aeropain View Post
I am definitely in the time-building mode, so I think between that and domicile, Mesa works out best.

I'd heard some not so good things about Envoy (to a previous comment) but I understand pilot forums are not the total reflection of the company. But still gives pause.

My understanding is that you "could" go somewhere else after 4 years via the United Airlines Career Path Program. Is flow to them still between 6-10 years?
It was 9.5 years for the last class, best case scenario.
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Old 08-01-2019, 07:54 AM
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Originally Posted by aeropain View Post
I am definitely in the time-building mode, so I think between that and domicile, Mesa works out best.

I'd heard some not so good things about Envoy (to a previous comment) but I understand pilot forums are not the total reflection of the company. But still gives pause.

My understanding is that you "could" go somewhere else after 4 years via the United Airlines Career Path Program. Is flow to them still between 6-10 years?
CPP is unfortunately if you fly the United side. Or if you don't then the last 12 months of flying for Mesa would need to be on the United side I believe.
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Old 08-01-2019, 08:31 AM
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CPP is unfortunately if you fly the United side. Or if you don't then the last 12 months of flying for Mesa would need to be on the United side I believe.
Correct DFW pilots aren’t in the program.
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Old 08-01-2019, 04:03 PM
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Correct DFW pilots aren’t in the program.
New hire FO at mesa do a stint in IAD. 1-3 months. That has nothing to do with the CPP. Just more info.
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Old 08-02-2019, 05:25 AM
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Originally Posted by aeropain View Post
I am definitely in the time-building mode, so I think between that and domicile, Mesa works out best.

I'd heard some not so good things about Envoy (to a previous comment) but I understand pilot forums are not the total reflection of the company. But still gives pause.

My understanding is that you "could" go somewhere else after 4 years via the United Airlines Career Path Program. Is flow to them still between 6-10 years?
The United CPP program doesn't work well. Mesa and United purposely keep info guarded on the program. The last group (or the one before) did better than the previous groups, but still overall not many are getting through to United. Just remember, it's a marketing tool to get pilots to come to Mesa, not ever meant to actually help pilots move on to United. So yes, if you stick to the United side you might after interviewing through the process go to United, but percentage wise there is a much better chance you won't.
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The United CPP program doesn't work well. Mesa and United purposely keep info guarded on the program. The last group (or the one before) did better than the previous groups, but still overall not many are getting through to United. Just remember, it's a marketing tool to get pilots to come to Mesa, not ever meant to actually help pilots move on to United. So yes, if you stick to the United side you might after interviewing through the process go to United, but percentage wise there is a much better chance you won't.
And more or less the same at ExpressJet. Sad they took what could have been a good program and botched it.
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