OnFingers12345

no thanks 😂😂

propellere

Less supply and more demand. You’ll see the pay really go up once all the military pilots start going away because the drones are coming. Then, the pay will go up. All the free trained pilots that the legacy carriers have been enjoying over the years are going to start drying up.

idlethrust

No mesa pilot in his right mind would turn down a job at a major to stay at Mesa and help cultivate the corporate culture as you put it .
Wtf you smokin boy ?

dhc8guru

Well all this has saved the military pilot shortage issue.
But will also create a massive commercial pilot shortage somewhere down the line and drive pay through the roof. As you stated.
All depends on how long it lasts.I speak from experience that a furloughed pilot can't typically go on for years without pay. There are 10's of thousands of qualified pilots out there that could have easily subdued the last pilot shortage but most pilots moved on post 911 and never returned to the industry. I suspect 3-5 years from now, with all the early retirements, furloughed pilots who sought other careers and then add on the difficulty of the industry being able to sell the pilot career to younger pilots, we could be looking at a train wreck pilot shortage that will eclipse the last one.
I think that's why the legacy carriers are really doing some serious soul searching when considering furloughing. The pipe feed of pilots from the regional's will dry up due to "gun shy" pilots staying put where they are before risking the move only to find themselves on the street over the next "covid".
Sorry for getting off on a tangent with this thread....resume own navigation.

Cujo665

it wasn’t about signing a deal lower than the highest earners... it was about signing a deal lower than the lowest earners.... that is lowering the bar. Anything in the middle would have been inside the existing industry rates. You lowered the bar.

20sx

You're talking outside of pay, because we certainly aren't the lowest. If you're talking trip rigs, then definitely yes. Everything was a struggle because our contract only covered pay with a new airplane. If we went too far outside of that, then the company had good cause for arbitration where we would lose for going to far outside of the contract.

propellere

something like that. The only people who are going to bid on and get it are the 20 year FO’s at Mesa. Want to fix the quality issue at Mesa, fix it so a pilot is required to upgrade at year 4. 2x upgrade failures and you are fired. Shouldn’t have anyone sitting at FO for 22 years at Mesa.

kevin18

I don’t understand why someone would want to be a 20 year FO either. However, I’m not going to **** on them for their choice. Obviously their circumstances are different from yours and don’t prioritize being a CA. They pass the same annual training that you do.

propellere

Curious why do you think someone is not upgrading for 20 years at a regional? 47 of them on the list have been FO’s greater than 5 years. Wonder what their training records look like. I know one is a downgrade because they landed with less than 600lbs of fuel on a CRJ.

The best part is if Mesa downgrades Captains for a furlough, the new hard working people that upgraded go behind these folks.

pangolin

I have flown with some lifer FOs. Most like their schedules and don’t want to upgrade. Some have tried and failed. Some are very good FO but just shouldn’t upgrade. That’s a very subjective judgement. Just because you are a great and experienced FO doesn’t mean you should upgrade or that you’ll be a good captain.