Bankruptcy Rumors
12-15-2022 | 09:48 PM
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The 900s average 16.3 years old. The AW 200s average 20.3 years. So, they got 4 years on them. In this business, an eternity.
12-16-2022 | 01:06 AM
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Well ask everyone at ExpressJet who claimed UAL was going to purchase the airline. It’s a dream. No way around the scope provisions in the FA contract.
Why would UA need Mesa? They own quite a few of the E175’s. Shop them to another regional or bring them in house.
Why would UA need Mesa? They own quite a few of the E175’s. Shop them to another regional or bring them in house.
12-16-2022 | 09:57 AM
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Have you read the entire FA agreement? I would not say it is impossible without having all the facts. I am not saying it is going to happen, but having worked on the M&A and bankruptcy side of this industry for many years, I have seen some very unexpected things happen that folks said never would.
12-16-2022 | 02:56 PM
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Have you read the entire FA agreement? I would not say it is impossible without having all the facts. I am not saying it is going to happen, but having worked on the M&A and bankruptcy side of this industry for many years, I have seen some very unexpected things happen that folks said never would.
I think.
12-17-2022 | 06:04 AM
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Are you saying they can't be trained? Seems that is an easily solved problem just requiring some time. But I would think, using the scenario that UA acquires Mesa in a merger, the Mesa flight attendants become UA employees, as do the Mesa pilots, so there is no violation of the agreement, no new training required (while other than Indoc,), however, there is a problem of seniority that the Mesa employees are not going to like because they will be new hires at the bottom. That is something the unions would have to iron out.
12-17-2022 | 07:23 AM
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Are you saying they can't be trained? Seems that is an easily solved problem just requiring some time. But I would think, using the scenario that UA acquires Mesa in a merger, the Mesa flight attendants become UA employees, as do the Mesa pilots, so there is no violation of the agreement, no new training required (while other than Indoc,), however, there is a problem of seniority that the Mesa employees are not going to like because they will be new hires at the bottom. That is something the unions would have to iron out.
12-17-2022 | 12:20 PM
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I absolutely know that, worked on the US Air/AA merger, the Sabre spin-off and for AA for on several projects, including its bankruptcy (not as an employee of AA but as a consultant). I am just trying to say that there are many possibilities of what might happen to Mesa, if anything, and I wouldn't rule out anything without being directly involved in the negotiations and understanding the details of all the various agreements.
12-17-2022 | 01:17 PM
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The only way it happens is bringing them in house. Fillin the rest of the blanks.
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