All depends on bases.

Once again your "facts" are not accurate. It was not a concessionary contract. It was basically the same one.

If you were not at Mesa before, during or after 2003 then your "facts" cannot be taken seriously.

Once again? When was the first time? When did I ever say 'fact'?

Maybe just semantics, but 'basically the same' was a concession when compared to other regional contracts of the time (Comair).

Define concession!!!!

Comairs contract really helped them didn't it

- Do you really believe that foregoing a contractual raise for 10 years is not a concession?

- The Comair comment is silly and counterproductive with the benefit of hindsight. At the time they were trying to raise the regional bar.

A pay raise doesn't always make up for QOL improvements a pilot group may feel are more important. Just because you make a little more money doesn't mean your QOL won't suck.

So to answer your question more clearly for you. NO, I don't think not having a pay raise is a concession so long as I get something else in return.My opinion only!!!

Well, with the new flight time/duty time regs and the low pay scale Mesa has will definitely rear it's ugly head when those paychecks start reflecting the reduced hrs one can work.

Received an e-mail yesterday, Mesa is confirmed for flying 30 E-175's, which I can't find, but I found an article instead...

Mesa to Operate Embraer 175 Aircraft and Extends CRJ 700 Agreement for United Express

PHOENIX--(BUSINESS WIRE)—September 13, 2013 - Mesa Air Group, Inc. is pleased to announce a new agreement with United Airlines that extends the term of its existing fleet of 20 Bombardier CRJ 700 aircraft to 2019 and adds 30 new United owned Embraer 175 aircraft.

Under the terms of this agreement Mesa will place the new Embraer 175 jets into service over the next two years. Mesa will hire approximately 350 pilots, 300 flight attendants and 200 maintenance and other support personnel to support the additional aircraft.

“This is truly a great day for Mesa. We will continue to work hard to provide the best possible service to United’s customers,” said Jonathan Ornstein Mesa’s Chairman and CEO. “Mesa began operating under United Express banner in 1992 and we are delighted to have this opportunity to expand our longstanding partnership. Our first codeshare agreement with United transformed our company and I am sure this one will do the same. We are also very pleased to rejoin the Embraer family of operators and look forward to working with our many friends there as well.”

Paul Foley Executive Vice President and Chief Operating Officer said, “It has always been our goal to exceed the expectations of both our partners and customers. We believe this contract is evidence that our operational performance and industry leading cost structure has begun to pay big dividends for the company and our people. Based on data from the Department of Transportation, Mesa has been the number one performing regional airline for each of the last three years. We’d like to thank all of our people who have contributed to our success and enabled us to compete successfully for this new business.”

Mesa currently operates 71 aircraft with approximately 425 daily system departures to 82 cities, 32 states, the District of Columbia, Canada and Mexico. Mesa operates as US Airways Express and United Express under contractual agreements with US Airways and United Airlines, respectively, and independently as go!. This operation links Honolulu to the neighbor island airports of Hilo, Kahului, Kona and Lihue. The Company was founded by Larry and Janie Risley in New Mexico in 1982.

Captain Tony

FWIW I have seen my peers since CFI school in 2008 get to the majors. I have heard the stagnation argument and everyone has heard your justifications. I will never know or understand why it is that some people make assumptions about others with little to no information. What you are doing is slamming an entire airline, all of the pilots, flight attendants, ground personal, management ect. These people are our peers who could use support from people like you and me as it affects all of us. I would think that someone with your "experience" would understand that. I don't work for Mesa, and I don't appreciate it when I have to read about people like you putting down others like a child.

Well in your inexperience, you again missed the joke. "Mesa Sucks" is the catch all Mesa comment from "another" forum where people try not to take themselves too seriously. But thanks for your defense of Mesa. I'm sure we've all changed our minds now. :rolleyes:

Also, perhaps you should acquaint yourself with the block feature, or at least do like everyone else and just scroll past the posts you "don't appreciate". Welcome to the forums, now grow some thicker skin.