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Old 04-05-2014, 07:03 PM
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Originally Posted by FerrisBluer
I think you're being a little generous as far as mesa staffing model....I think at the most 4-5 crews per airplane. (8 to 10 pilots/plane)
At least you're crunching the numbers and looking ahead. I've just known MAG for so f-ing long and optimism should not really being in our staffing model
Believe it or not the United/Mesa contract requires us to have 5.8 captains and 5.8 FO's per aircraft. We also have very stiff cancellation requirements. (E-jet) contract.

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Just flew with a lineholder in IAD who's barely been here 8 years. So definitely beyond those 9 year folks. I'm about 150 people from the most Junior CA. I'm a Spring 2013 hire.

30 EJETs @ 6 CA a plane = 180 CA needed for EJETS.

4 more 900's @ 6 CA plane = 24 CA needed. So 204 CA needed for airplanes that are slated to start arriving.... well now. < This is announced flying.

10 more 900's (too be announced shortly) @ 6 CA plane = 60 CA need. Total CA needed @ 264 CA.

All (14) 900's probably on property by Dec. 2014.

15 175's and 14 900's on property by years end 2014 = 174 CA needed by 12/31/2014.

Just some numbers a CKA and I came up with flying this week.

I'm probably looking at a late 2014, early 2015 upgrade. There's a decent amount (30-50) of guys senior to the most Junior CA that are holding out for LA, IAH, or what have you.

All E175's on property by Sept 2015. (approx) = 264 CA upgrades by Sept 2015.





I think you're being a little generous as far as mesa staffing model....I think at the most 4-5 crews per airplane. (8 to 10 pilots/plane)
At least you're crunching the numbers and looking ahead. I've just known MAG for so f-ing long and optimism should not really being in our staffing model
I got this number from the horses mouth, standing bids. So, we'll see. I think 4-5 was a good number to go with pre 117.
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Hey, I'd be a panicking ***hole too if I was at Air Wisconsin right now. The lights will be out at that place very soon.

I wish the best for the guys I know there.
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Old 04-06-2014, 04:32 AM
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No flame bait, on another web forum guys are saying MAG turned down AAG for more E175's. Is this due to staffing, your E175 contract with UAL? When do ya'll start negotiations? Thanks
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No flame bait, on another web forum guys are saying MAG turned down AAG for more E175's. Is this due to staffing, your E175 contract with UAL? When do ya'll start negotiations? Thanks
That's strange, I'm sure it's because we cannot support that much training and staffing at the same time. I'm glad though, send those planes to Eagle where they belong.
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Originally Posted by skillett
Believe it or not the United/Mesa contract requires us to have 5.8 captains and 5.8 FO's per aircraft. We also have very stiff cancellation requirements. (E-jet) contract.
DL had a similar staffing requirement for the E-145 when I was there and we were never properly staffed. The numbers they gave DL were false because a lot of guys had left, but Mesa still showed them active to meet the requirement.

If you are properly staffed then there should never be any JRAs.
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DL had a similar staffing requirement for the E-145 when I was there and we were never properly staffed. The numbers they gave DL were false because a lot of guys had left, but Mesa still showed them active to meet the requirement.

If you are properly staffed then there should never be any JRAs.
Yeah I know, maybe they can get it right this time. If the bean counters don't mess it up.
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Originally Posted by skillett
And we will be tough in these contract negotions to raise the pay and QOL, but don't expect an industry leading contract. I want the flying we have earned lately, but I don't want yours.

In the position that you are currently in I fail to see why you would not attempt to bargain for an industry leading contract. Mesa is expanding rapidly and has recently signed agreements for a fairly significant amount of new flying . If you are ever going to be in a position to ask for substantial gains it is now. That is unless your pilots really do believe that 35k a year is fair compensation for an FO flying a 79 seat aircraft. Don't be afraid to stick your necks out and become the new benchmark of "industry leading" as opposed to always being in the middle to bottom of it.
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