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Old 10-27-2015 | 02:27 PM
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Originally Posted by NVUS
Serious question for potential newhires...

Mesa, $20/hr, fast upgrade

or

Republic, $40/hr, uncertain future?

AS SOMEONE WHO SPENT ALMOST TWO YEARS AT RAH....GO ANYWHERE BUT RAH...

THE CULTURE OF RAH IS NOTHING SHORT OF WALKING IN A NEST OF ANGRY VIPERS.

Seriously, I wouldn't go back to RAH even if it was as a direct entry Captain on 3rd year CA pay.

They can keep their higher pay for the disgusting way that company/management treats its employees.....
Old 10-27-2015 | 05:17 PM
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Originally Posted by prior121
AS SOMEONE WHO SPENT ALMOST TWO YEARS AT RAH....GO ANYWHERE BUT RAH...

THE CULTURE OF RAH IS NOTHING SHORT OF WALKING IN A NEST OF ANGRY VIPERS.

Seriously, I wouldn't go back to RAH even if it was as a direct entry Captain on 3rd year CA pay.

They can keep their higher pay for the disgusting way that company/management treats its employees.....
Dude, stop acting like you left. You were fired. Still calling off sick and using your travel benefits? You were awful in scheduling, even worse in my right seat. It's a travesty that you are a captain anywhere.
Old 10-27-2015 | 05:32 PM
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Originally Posted by baball
You were awful in scheduling, even worse in my right seat.
Not paying attention to the drama at all, I just chuckled seeing that.
Old 10-27-2015 | 05:53 PM
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Originally Posted by baball
Dude, stop acting like you left. You were fired. Still calling off sick and using your travel benefits? You were awful in scheduling, even worse in my right seat. It's a travesty that you are a captain anywhere.
you completely have the wrong person, dude.
Old 10-27-2015 | 07:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Navmode
A little pro tip about hr management...they can only say to future employers that you:

1. In fact worked here
2. Did/didn't fail a drug test
3. Was/was not terminated due to poor performance.

It's not the same deal as a personal recommendation that someone might write to a letter.
Your "pro tip" is extremely wrong.

I've personally been in a chief pilot's office (not at this airline) listening to one chief tell another chief all about so-and-so's record.

These guys have personal cellphones--it's a small world--never trust that the only info being communicated about you is your PRIA.

Go look up the Boring v. Alaskan Airlines lawsuit (there's a thread about it on here). Long story short, a Mesa pilot whose termination was reversed by Mesa ended up getting fired from Alaskan for not disclosing the termination on the application (even though it was reversed). The court ruled in favor of Alaskan.

Airlines don't ask "is there a termination on your PRIA"--they ask have you ever been terminated (in the last 10 years). Subtle difference, but the court ruled in Alaskans favor because he didn't disclose it.

Go read the Boring v. Alaskan lawsuit and you'll realize you're wrong--there are lots and lots of ways airlines figure out everything there is to know about you, and PRIA is worthless.

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Old 10-27-2015 | 07:48 PM
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It's Alaska not Alaskan
Old 10-27-2015 | 07:56 PM
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Don't ever kid yourself, this is a small industry, and an even smaller world. Constantly running into people that knows someone I know from way back. You think that because 20 years goes by, something you did infamously won't follow you? I found out how my old ******** boss was fired from when he was a 1900 captain. Quite a few people I work with today, also worked with him back in the day. Stay clean, never talk ill of anyone, stay under the radar, and always smile. The person you **** off today will be the person that destroys your career later.
Old 10-27-2015 | 08:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Navmode
A little pro tip about hr management...they can only say to future employers that you:

1. In fact worked here
2. Did/didn't fail a drug test
3. Was/was not terminated due to poor performance.

It's not the same deal as a personal recommendation that someone might write to a letter.
For HR, I bet you're right.

But if I'm a pilot involved with the hiring somewhere like Atlas, UPS, AA, Spirit, Southwest, etc., and I see that Joe Pilot worked at Mesa for less than a year, I'm gonna look into it. Maybe there's a good reason, like Joe got a really great job that is clearly just career progression. But I'm gonna find out if Joe ponied up the money when he left, because if not, I know what sort of value he puts on his signature and on his word.

Maybe I'm being paranoid, and I'm willing to own that.

Still, there is the whole, "You signed a thing and gave your word, and that's important" thing... but maybe that attitude is dying out...
Old 10-27-2015 | 08:21 PM
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Originally Posted by baball
Dude, stop acting like you left. You were fired. Still calling off sick and using your travel benefits? You were awful in scheduling, even worse in my right seat. It's a travesty that you are a captain anywhere.
In your right seat? Awful at scheduling? If the guy your talking about is the same as the guy I know he would bend over backwards for people when he was a scheduler here and is a hell of a good pilot.
Old 10-28-2015 | 06:12 AM
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Originally Posted by flapshalfspeed
Your "pro tip" is extremely wrong.

I've personally been in a chief pilot's office (not at this airline) listening to one chief tell another chief all about so-and-so's record.

These guys have personal cellphones--it's a small world--never trust that the only info being communicated about you is your PRIA.

Go look up the Boring v. Alaskan Airlines lawsuit (there's a thread about it on here). Long story short, a Mesa pilot whose termination was reversed by Mesa ended up getting fired from Alaskan for not disclosing the termination on the application (even though it was reversed). The court ruled in favor of Alaskan.

Airlines don't ask "is there a termination on your PRIA"--they ask have you ever been terminated (in the last 10 years). Subtle difference, but the court ruled in Alaskans favor because he didn't disclose it.

Go read the Boring v. Alaskan lawsuit and you'll realize you're wrong--there are lots and lots of ways airlines figure out everything there is to know about you, and PRIA is worthless.
Well guess what, that's illegal under employment law. Not to mention that he said "employer", implying "the company", not the chief pilots.
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