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iFlyRC 10-11-2015 10:23 AM

What is, is, and will be. The more players in the whipsaw, the better for Parker and friends.

3inthegreen 10-11-2015 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by tunes (Post 1989956)
Would like to see the data on that. Sept is a small subset but compass exceed every single number American gave them for completion factor d0 and a14


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Trans States Holdings must be proud.

Top row is D+0, bottom row is A+14.

CBreezy 10-11-2015 01:15 PM


Originally Posted by 3inthegreen (Post 1990216)
Trans States Holdings must be proud.

I'd be more than happy to give back every single AA airplane if it meant I never had to hub out of LGA again. It's garbage flying. You can take it.

How is that awesome performance treating you? Oh, that's right, they gave away a bunch of your airplanes and then bent you over the table and made you take a crap contract. Keep up the good work.

3inthegreen 10-11-2015 02:18 PM


Originally Posted by CBreezy (Post 1990218)
I'd be more than happy to give back every single AA airplane if it meant I never had to hub out of LGA again. It's garbage flying. You can take it.

How is that awesome performance treating you? Oh, that's right, they gave away a bunch of your airplanes and then bent you over the table and made you take a crap contract. Keep up the good work.

Think I found a sore spot.

CBreezy 10-11-2015 02:25 PM


Originally Posted by 3inthegreen (Post 1990245)
Think I found a sore spot.

Nope. Not sore. I couldn't give two poops about what some envoy guy thinks. Just pointing out the obvious. LGA flying is garbage and performance doesn't really matter.

3inthegreen 10-11-2015 02:33 PM


Originally Posted by CBreezy (Post 1990248)
Nope. Not sore. I couldn't give two poops about what some envoy guy thinks. Just pointing out the obvious. LGA flying is garbage and performance doesn't really matter.

Compass only flies for AAG out of Lax, guess LAX doesn't matter either

CBreezy 10-11-2015 02:59 PM


Originally Posted by 3inthegreen (Post 1990251)
Compass only flies for AAG out of Lax, guess LAX doesn't matter either

I don't work for Compass. What they or Gojet do is their business. And if you say it is, perhaps I can lump you in with the PSA pilot group if you'd like.

tunes 10-11-2015 04:47 PM


Originally Posted by 3inthegreen (Post 1990216)
Trans States Holdings must be proud.



Top row is D+0, bottom row is A+14.


Those numbers are completely different than what we were sent........


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3inthegreen 10-11-2015 05:30 PM


Originally Posted by tunes (Post 1990322)
Those numbers are completely different than what we were sent........


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Those came from AAG

tunes 10-11-2015 05:42 PM


Originally Posted by 3inthegreen (Post 1990362)
Those came from AAG


The ones we were given were 82.54% and 86.72% respectively for D0....


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flapshalfspeed 10-11-2015 10:31 PM

Hi mods--this thread has devolved from pilots who don't work for Mesa hating on Mesa, to pilots who don't work for Mesa hating on each other (which has nothing to do with Mesa or us buying 15 E175s).

I will note that no Mesa pilot I am aware of is spending most of their free time in this or other regionals' threads stirring up stupidity and thumping their chests about who flew what D0 numbers in whatever month.

Please lock this thread and let these regional sky gods go back to their mother's basement/Microsoft FlightSim accounts--in the time they spend commenting upon the success of other regionals, they could be volunteering, attending job fairs, completing graduate degrees, etc.--you know, things that actually help you get hired at mainline so you actually can claim to be better than any other regional pilot

flapshalfspeed 10-11-2015 10:51 PM

Like come on guys--you could've renovated a house, completed a graduate degree, learned a new language/skill, or a million other productive, healthy things, just in the time you spend blathering on in OTHER regionals' forums!!!

Go do something productive and positive with your time. Channel whatever bitterness you have towards Mesa and other regionals into making yourself a better candidate for mainline jobs, LCCs, and Emirates/Ethiad/Qatar (if your personal situtation allows an ME job). It's hard to break out of the rut of negativity and bitterness and infighting--the "next to last" is always more vicious towards the "last" than they are towards the richer, because of our Biology. Rise above your primate brain and realize that isn't the way forward.

Okay I'm done posting in this thread--get over yourselves and until your callsign matches the brand name printed on your passengers' tickets, you're a freaking joke for thinking you're better than anyone else.

WhoCares 10-12-2015 02:03 AM


Originally Posted by iFlyRC (Post 1988624)
To clarify things... 15 are owned by United, we are getting 15 more that we will own. 15 + 15 = 30. We will be operating 30 ejets, and very likely, ejets for American down the road... What survives a nuclear war? Cockroaches and Mesa. Get over it, be haters, we are not going away any time soon...

QFTRT. (Quoted For The Retarded Truth)





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WhoCares 10-12-2015 02:11 AM


Originally Posted by iFlyRC (Post 1989884)
Like I said, 30+15 = 45.
You wholy owns crack me up, truth be told, you are a financial tool to the mainline. If mainline needs to show a financial loss, they throw money at you and life is good. When they need to show strong earnings to stock holders, you eat ****. Enjoy that roller coaster. One day they say you are getting tons of e-jets, and ramping up to take over the world, the next day they shelve it and not give a crap. Small potatoes in the big picture

This isn't what you said. Please refer to the QFTRT post above.





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WhoCares 10-12-2015 02:19 AM


Originally Posted by flapshalfspeed (Post 1990495)
Like come on guys--you could've renovated a house, completed a graduate degree, learned a new language/skill, or a million other productive, healthy things, just in the time you spend blathering on in OTHER regionals' forums!!!

Go do something productive and positive with your time. Channel whatever bitterness you have towards Mesa and other regionals into making yourself a better candidate for mainline jobs, LCCs, and Emirates/Ethiad/Qatar (if your personal situtation allows an ME job). It's hard to break out of the rut of negativity and bitterness and infighting--the "next to last" is always more vicious towards the "last" than they are towards the richer, because of our Biology. Rise above your primate brain and realize that isn't the way forward.

Okay I'm done posting in this thread--get over yourselves and until your callsign matches the brand name printed on your passengers' tickets, you're a freaking joke for thinking you're better than anyone else.

Callouts out everyone else for name calling then calls everyone names before "signing off". Must work for Mesa.

I'm better than you and that's no joke.





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Ex lurker 10-12-2015 05:25 AM


Originally Posted by CBreezy (Post 1990103)
And yet Parker willingly brought TSA, XJT, and Compass into the fold. There is what he says and what he's been doing.

And the company is telling the union that there is a very good chance that the aircraft are coming back from TSA and XJT starting next year also.

The official reason XJT and TSA got those aircraft was staffing fears at envoy due to high attrition numbers. The numbers have stabilized and those aircraft can be staffed. Envoys performance numbers are good and the costs must be in line with their goals so I expect the aircraft to return.

The only reason I would imagine they would stay with you is their condition and number of cycles.

PiperPower 10-12-2015 06:42 AM


Originally Posted by WhoCares (Post 1990529)
I'm better than you and that's no joke.

... Did you sit back and smile proudly at your "badass" comment after you typed it?
I think you just pegged yourself as a complete loser. No one that is naturally respected in the real world talks like that. I'm embarrassed for you by association. Grow up, you 12 year old. There is more to life than your employer.

20sx 10-12-2015 08:42 AM


Originally Posted by Ex lurker (Post 1990573)
And the company is telling the union that there is a very good chance that the aircraft are coming back from TSA and XJT starting next year also.

The official reason XJT and TSA got those aircraft was staffing fears at envoy due to high attrition numbers. The numbers have stabilized and those aircraft can be staffed. Envoys performance numbers are good and the costs must be in line with their goals so I expect the aircraft to return.

The only reason I would imagine they would stay with you is their condition and number of cycles.

I can't believe Hulas would take the erj's unless he had a good contract that lasts for at least a couple of years.

PilotJ3 10-12-2015 08:48 AM


Originally Posted by 20sx (Post 1990678)
I can't believe Hulas would take the erj's unless he had a good contract that lasts for at least a couple of years.

AA TSA contract is for 2 years. That is a couple of years.

Compass is for 4 years I believe.

WhoCares 10-12-2015 09:29 AM


Originally Posted by PiperPower (Post 1990615)
... Did you sit back and smile proudly at your "badass" comment after you typed it?
I think you just pegged yourself as a complete loser. No one that is naturally respected in the real world talks like that. I'm embarrassed for you by association. Grow up, you 12 year old. There is more to life than your employer.

The hypocrisy.

It's not a matter of pushing you down to stand higher upon you it's a matter of turning on the light to show you where you're standing.

If you understand that, which I don't think you will, then maybe you'll have less anger towards me and direct it towards the choices you have made.

"There's more to life than your employer" says the guy who works for a bad company.

"There's more to life than money" says the guy with none.

"There's more to life than family" says the guy without any.

There's always more to life so make more of it.





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PiperPower 10-13-2015 09:08 AM


Originally Posted by WhoCares (Post 1990725)
The hypocrisy.

It's not a matter of pushing you down to stand higher upon you it's a matter of turning on the light to show you where you're standing.

If you understand that, which I don't think you will, then maybe you'll have less anger towards me and direct it towards the choices you have made.

"There's more to life than your employer" says the guy who works for a bad company.

"There's more to life than money" says the guy with none.

"There's more to life than family" says the guy without any.

There's always more to life so make more of it.

If I understand that?.... Do you think you just wrote some earth shattering poetry there? What you wrote doesn't necessarily equate to rocket science lol. And I'm not angry towards you buddy, don't take it personal! I just think you're a loser and no one likes you in real life. So you pump out your chest on the Internet after spending your day slumped over, head down, and timid in your FO seat... hope things get better for you someday.

iFlyRC 10-13-2015 12:02 PM


Originally Posted by WhoCares (Post 1990528)
This isn't what you said. Please refer to the QFTRT post above.

I know what I said, you bit the troll bait. Why are you flipping out that I must acknowledge you? Hook, line, and sinker...

GotBanned 10-13-2015 12:44 PM


Originally Posted by PilotJ3 (Post 1990684)
AA TSA contract is for 2 years. That is a couple of years.

Compass is for 4 years I believe.

There is no way the TSA contract is for only two years. They don't sign short term deals. It's taken, with the aircraft on the scheduled delivery cycle, almost a year to show up anyway when it's all said and done.

There is no way TSA signed a deal to fly the full fleet for essentially 1 year only to have them returned unless they have a replacement plan for them in action already negotiated.

They'd lose money in the costs to train everyone as well as open a new base. All the training required for current crew members for the new FMS, etc

That sort of contract would not make financial sense unless AAG is paying them a ton of money to fly it. It would be very out of character for this company to do that.

Isn't it public that the AA Birds at Compass are on until 2020, or is that Delta?

I've heard 4-5 years here. So unless you have some actual proof, not union rumors, that's all this is...a rumor. A factless one at that.

BeatNavy 10-13-2015 01:02 PM

I will rejoice the day this thread gets closed.

PilotJ3 10-13-2015 03:53 PM


Originally Posted by GotBanned (Post 1991679)
There is no way the TSA contract is for only two years. They don't sign short term deals. It's taken, with the aircraft on the scheduled delivery cycle, almost a year to show up anyway when it's all said and done.

There is no way TSA signed a deal to fly the full fleet for essentially 1 year only to have them returned unless they have a replacement plan for them in action already negotiated.

They'd lose money in the costs to train everyone as well as open a new base. All the training required for current crew members for the new FMS, etc

That sort of contract would not make financial sense unless AAG is paying them a ton of money to fly it. It would be very out of character for this company to do that.

Isn't it public that the AA Birds at Compass are on until 2020, or is that Delta?

I've heard 4-5 years here. So unless you have some actual proof, not union rumors, that's all this is...a rumor. A factless one at that.

Management...

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Fleet Plan – While Management could not release a specific fleet plan, they did explain some positive changes to our future fleet. The transfer of the 20 EMB-145’s to Piedmont is now scheduled to begin in January at 1 aircraft per month. As previously announced, the transfer of our remaining CRJ-700’s has been delayed until the last half of 2016 at a much slower rate than originally advertised. Chris Pappaioanou stated that the EMB-145’s that were transferred to Trans-States could come back to Envoy as early as late next year as the contract per aircraft expires when each aircraft is scheduled for its next C-Check. There are similar provisions for the EMB-145’s transferred to ExpressJet. Mr. Pappaioanou also indicated it’s possible for Envoy to once again operate those aircraft depending on our cost and performance."

SubwaySandwich 10-13-2015 06:01 PM


Originally Posted by PilotJ3 (Post 1991810)
Management...

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Fleet Plan – While Management could not release a specific fleet plan, they did explain some positive changes to our future fleet. The transfer of the 20 EMB-145’s to Piedmont is now scheduled to begin in January at 1 aircraft per month. As previously announced, the transfer of our remaining CRJ-700’s has been delayed until the last half of 2016 at a much slower rate than originally advertised. Chris Pappaioanou stated that the EMB-145’s that were transferred to Trans-States could come back to Envoy as early as late next year as the contract per aircraft expires when each aircraft is scheduled for its next C-Check. There are similar provisions for the EMB-145’s transferred to ExpressJet. Mr. Pappaioanou also indicated it’s possible for Envoy to once again operate those aircraft depending on our cost and performance."

Ahahahaha so that's where Pappaioanu went. :p FYI his name is all over MAGs 2008 Contract.

buddies8 10-13-2015 08:03 PM

We know, he is just another dougie *** kisser.
Question, does U.S. air own any part of Mesa still?

WhoCares 10-14-2015 11:10 AM


Originally Posted by PiperPower (Post 1991497)
If I understand that?.... Do you think you just wrote some earth shattering poetry there? What you wrote doesn't necessarily equate to rocket science lol. And I'm not angry towards you buddy, don't take it personal! I just think you're a loser and no one likes you in real life. So you pump out your chest on the Internet after spending your day slumped over, head down, and timid in your FO seat... hope things get better for you someday.

So calling someone a loser on an Internet forum makes you what? At the very least I'd say anger.



Originally Posted by iFlyRC (Post 1991652)
I know what I said, you bit the troll bait. Why are you flipping out that I must acknowledge you? Hook, line, and sinker...

You big troll you! So what you're saying is that your poor math skills and lack of knowledge is an attempt at trolling?

So which is it; 30 or 45. Troll me some more and say you said it was 15+15+30 and that equals 90. :rolleyes:





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WhoCares 10-14-2015 11:16 AM


Originally Posted by beatnavy (Post 1991689)
i will rejoice the day all mesa threads get closed.

ftfy.





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iFlyRC 10-14-2015 12:58 PM


Originally Posted by WhoCares (Post 1992451)
So calling someone a loser on an Internet forum makes you what? At the very least I'd say anger.




You big troll you! So what you're saying is that your poor math skills and lack of knowledge is an attempt at trolling?

So which is it; 30 or 45. Troll me some more and say you said it was 15+15+30 and that equals 90. :rolleyes:





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My math skills are spot on, you getting butt hurt over this, on this forum, is quite astonishing!

PiperPower 10-14-2015 01:34 PM


Originally Posted by WhoCares (Post 1992451)
So calling someone a loser on an Internet forum makes you what? At the very least I'd say anger.

Lol. Ok guy.

xlawn4sr 02-21-2016 08:00 AM

I can promise you AWAC isn't hiring anyone with a pulse, not hiring in the parking lot or over the phone and we are still fully staffed.

Xdashdriver 02-21-2016 11:35 AM


Originally Posted by xlawn4sr (Post 2072660)
I can promise you AWAC isn't hiring anyone with a pulse, not hiring in the parking lot or over the phone and we are still fully staffed.

Great, but this thread died about 5 months ago.

CAirBear 02-21-2016 12:11 PM


Originally Posted by xlawn4sr (Post 2072660)
I can promise you AWAC isn't hiring anyone with a pulse, not hiring in the parking lot or over the phone and we are still fully staffed.

What? They are very short CAs now. The latest upgrade class assigned for an effective date was just moved up even earlier.

Everyday they have just enough CA RSVs as OT trips. Hardly hiring any FOs (like a lot of places). I don't know what the game plan is, but they are gonna have to start upgrading more

Fleron270 02-21-2016 12:12 PM


Originally Posted by CAirBear (Post 2072755)
What? They are very short CAs now. The latest upgrade class assigned for an effective date was just moved up even earlier.

Everyday they have just enough CA RSVs as OT trips. Hardly hiring any FOs (like a lot of places). I don't know what the game plan is, but they are gonna have to start upgrading more

Didn't we have 800+ pilots a year ago? Now we're at 740. Doesn't seem like we can keep up with attrition.

tinman1 02-21-2016 12:38 PM


Originally Posted by Xdashdriver (Post 2072744)
Great, but this thread died about 5 months ago.

Apparently attention to detail isn't included in those highly selective screening standards. I mean who really needs such a trait to fly a jet anyway :rolleyes:


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