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Old 10-31-2016 | 06:26 PM
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How's this not a violation of the CBA?!?!?
http://www.mesa-air.com/pilots
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Old 10-31-2016 | 07:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Duct Mon
How's this not a violation of the CBA?!?!?
http://www.mesa-air.com/pilots
Not sure...

Get our there and educate every potential candidate you meet on our insurance costs, pay rate including captain, and terrible benefit package.

Mgmt says we have plenty of candidates, well obviously that's not true.

It's working folks, stop people from coming here and we will get a contract.
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Old 10-31-2016 | 07:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Sumtinwong
Not sure...

Get our there and educate every potential candidate you meet on our insurance costs, pay rate including captain, and terrible benefit package.

Mgmt says we have plenty of candidates, well obviously that's not true.

It's working folks, stop people from coming here and we will get a contract.
The nice thing about Mesa, the grass is truly greener on the other side.
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Old 10-31-2016 | 07:28 PM
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Originally Posted by brigadeaviator
interesting email tonight...
I am sooo disappointed. Absolutely no mention of a Thanksgiving turkey or a Christmas ham, either, for all employees who show up otherwise on any other day not called in as sick. Oh sorry, I forgot Kwanzaa.

It occurs to me that working for this company is like participating in a consumer class-action lawsuit. The guys running the show get millions, the affected class members get hardly anything .. a coupon for free extra cheese at JO's Burger and Botulism Barn™, maybe. But only if you buy another burger at full price first...and then agree to be held liable to pay back the cost of the free cheese over the next twelve months.

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Old 10-31-2016 | 07:36 PM
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Thats. The thing. If people would stop falling for the bait, things would get better for the folks that have been there awhile!!! Truly sad all these company's (not just Mesa) are catering to people that are "car shopping" .. or shiny Jet shopping...
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Old 10-31-2016 | 07:48 PM
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Originally Posted by amcnd
Thats. The thing. If people would stop falling for the bait, things would get better for the folks that have been there awhile!!! Truly sad all these company's (not just Mesa) are catering to people that are "car shopping" .. or shiny Jet shopping...
I actually think that Mesa caters to the pilot that is affraid to leave.
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Old 10-31-2016 | 08:01 PM
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"Offered upgrade"
Ok.
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Old 11-01-2016 | 07:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Sumtinwong
Not sure...

Get our there and educate every potential candidate you meet on our insurance costs, pay rate including captain, and terrible benefit package.

Mgmt says we have plenty of candidates, well obviously that's not true.

It's working folks, stop people from coming here and we will get a contract.
I think you are too optimistic. Sure, a workforce deficit large enough to disrupt operations to the point that it affects the bottom line will make the company do "something." That's how market forces work, union aside.

However, I doubt that "something" is going to be a contract on par with other regionals. At least that is what I can gather based on JOīs personality. Obviously his strategy is to squeeze the workforce to maximize profits, and he seems to be pretty unwilling to get away from that mindset. Also, honestly I think it might be too late. Mesa has a reputation in the industry, and while compensation is a big part of our problems, it is only one part. It is going to take years to change the company culture and itīs perception in the industry. Unfortunately, I just donīt see a reason for management to increase pilot pay at this time.

If the company continues on the current path I think the logical outcome would be a shrinkage to match the staffing levels. There is always going to be a group of pilots composed of people such as: lifers, people who canīt make it through and interview or training anywhere else (slow learners, cultural barriers, etc...), people lazy to go look for another job, and small group who sees this as a hobby, or have sweet little deals working for them (union, company people).

Bottom line, all of us should have known what we were getting into when we came to Mesa. If we donīt like it here, we are free to leave and in the current market that should not be an issue. For those who are trying to leave, but canīt, chances are you fall in the group "only Mesa will take you" and beggars canīt be choosers, so stop complaining and be glad this crappy company is willing to give you a pilot job. If you canīt come to terms with that last statement maybe it is time to look for something else to do.
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Old 11-01-2016 | 08:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Santos Dumont

Bottom line, all of us should have known what we were getting into when we came to Mesa. If we donīt like it here, we are free to leave and in the current market that should not be an issue. For those who are trying to leave, but canīt, chances are you fall in the group "only Mesa will take you" and beggars canīt be choosers, so stop complaining and be glad this crappy company is willing to give you a pilot job. If you canīt come to terms with that last statement maybe it is time to look for something else to do.
Please, please, please don't listen to this absolute garbage piece of advice in his last paragraph. There is no such thing as a "Mesa Lifer" unless YOU choose to be one. Hogan chose to be one, in his mind it makes no sense to leave, but he is ultra sharp and any airline would love to have him. Then you have Forest Gump, who, uhm... Ok, 99.9% of pilots at Mesa can move on, don't sell yourself short.
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Old 11-01-2016 | 09:12 AM
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Originally Posted by iFlyRC
Please, please, please don't listen to this absolute garbage piece of advice in his last paragraph.
You came across a little bitter there. Chill out, its not good for your health and makes you sound autocratic and a bit unreasonable.

Originally Posted by iFlyRC
There is no such thing as a "Mesa Lifer" unless YOU choose to be one. Hogan chose to be one, in his mind it makes no sense to leave, but he is ultra sharp and any airline would love to have him. Then you have Forest Gump, who, uhm... Ok, 99.9% of pilots at Mesa can move on, don't sell yourself short.
Very well sir. I wish they do if they are not happy here.
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