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02-03-2018, 12:55 PM
#21
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Originally Posted by AFTrainerGuy
I almost didn’t want to respond, because I think you and F15andMD11 make good points a lot and I agree with almost everything ya’ll post.
But, I think LC varies by airline to airline. My experience exactly mimics PRS’s. I’ve sat LC living in base for almost 4 years now. It took me about 6 months to get it, and I’ve never done anything else since. This year, I was able to complete all my Reserve stuff on my OFF days without ever dropping even a day of Mil Leave. I looked just to present facts. Last year, I worked 110 days with 72 overnights. I was converted to SC only 3 times.
Just so guys get a fair look...This month, the last line of LC went 3 from the bottom in CLT. Just looking at the bottom 10% in this Base (#550-611 on Airbus), 22 were awarded LC, 20 were awarded lines, and the other 39 got SC.
What you say may be true where you work, but I feel you guys are making blanket statements. Every airline and every base will vary, but at least at AA, a newhire can expect to sit LC very quickly and also expect to be awarded a line relatively quickly if they do choose. Of course, things can and will always change, but for now, this is true here
But, I think LC varies by airline to airline. My experience exactly mimics PRS’s. I’ve sat LC living in base for almost 4 years now. It took me about 6 months to get it, and I’ve never done anything else since. This year, I was able to complete all my Reserve stuff on my OFF days without ever dropping even a day of Mil Leave. I looked just to present facts. Last year, I worked 110 days with 72 overnights. I was converted to SC only 3 times.
Just so guys get a fair look...This month, the last line of LC went 3 from the bottom in CLT. Just looking at the bottom 10% in this Base (#550-611 on Airbus), 22 were awarded LC, 20 were awarded lines, and the other 39 got SC.
What you say may be true where you work, but I feel you guys are making blanket statements. Every airline and every base will vary, but at least at AA, a newhire can expect to sit LC very quickly and also expect to be awarded a line relatively quickly if they do choose. Of course, things can and will always change, but for now, this is true here
02-03-2018, 06:59 PM
#22
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
I stand corrected then, glad to hear it works out for you.
02-03-2018, 07:04 PM
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Originally Posted by F15andMD11
I too stand corrected, I knew I should have been more specific about about which airline, knowing that American's reserve rules are better than other airlines. So...if you get hired by United forget about LC! How about that?
02-05-2018, 05:18 PM
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Lots of great advice. Thanks for all the responses. All my buds who have retired say life is better on the outside, but they also say the first year is the worst, but it’s worth it.
One last question: I’ve been offered an opportunity to apply for a job flying King Air’s for a corporate outfit. Great pay and benefits and home a LOT more than airlines. Would flying Part 91/135 for a few years after retirement make me any more/less competitive for an airline job later?
One last question: I’ve been offered an opportunity to apply for a job flying King Air’s for a corporate outfit. Great pay and benefits and home a LOT more than airlines. Would flying Part 91/135 for a few years after retirement make me any more/less competitive for an airline job later?
02-05-2018, 05:37 PM
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Originally Posted by ViperGuy69
Lots of great advice. Thanks for all the responses. All my buds who have retired say life is better on the outside, but they also say the first year is the worst, but it’s worth it.
One last question: I’ve been offered an opportunity to apply for a job flying King Air’s for a corporate outfit. Great pay and benefits and home a LOT more than airlines. Would flying Part 91/135 for a few years after retirement make me any more/less competitive for an airline job later?
One last question: I’ve been offered an opportunity to apply for a job flying King Air’s for a corporate outfit. Great pay and benefits and home a LOT more than airlines. Would flying Part 91/135 for a few years after retirement make me any more/less competitive for an airline job later?
02-05-2018, 07:09 PM
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What do you value more? Every year flying a King Air is a year off the end of your airline career. A 44 yr old hired today would retire around #1575. That’s 11% overall. About 5 yrs as a 777/787/330 CA in the junior bases. One to two yrs in the senior bases. Or you could stay as a n//b CA and retire around 14% in a senior base or 4% in a junior base.
The pay you’d forgo would be around $350,00 per year. So the King Air job would ‘cost’ you about $200-250K per year.
The pay you’d forgo would be around $350,00 per year. So the King Air job would ‘cost’ you about $200-250K per year.
02-05-2018, 09:01 PM
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Originally Posted by ViperGuy69
Lots of great advice. Thanks for all the responses. All my buds who have retired say life is better on the outside, but they also say the first year is the worst, but it’s worth it.
One last question: I’ve been offered an opportunity to apply for a job flying King Air’s for a corporate outfit. Great pay and benefits and home a LOT more than airlines. Would flying Part 91/135 for a few years after retirement make me any more/less competitive for an airline job later?
One last question: I’ve been offered an opportunity to apply for a job flying King Air’s for a corporate outfit. Great pay and benefits and home a LOT more than airlines. Would flying Part 91/135 for a few years after retirement make me any more/less competitive for an airline job later?
I generally advise folks to go 121 right off the bat to beef up their resume and to only consider taking a King Air job if they’ve got a resume that makes them otherwise a shoe in for getting a call and are only lacking currency.
Unfortunately in your case it seems that even being flight current and a military fighter guy your resume isn’t getting bites for whatever reason. If there are no undisclosed blemishes it could be that your apps haven’t been in long enough, you’re too far out from your availability date to be of interest yet, or your target airline criteria is very narrow. Either way at this point it looks like you’re going to have to take a job that is viewed as a positive on your application, not just something that is neutral, or not a negative.
Transitioning from the military at your stage of the game you’re going from the top of the food chain to a place where your rank doesn’t matter no one is really going to care any more or less about you or treat you any differently than the mid 20’s 5 year regional FO with 0TPIC sitting next to you in class. Whether you make the transition immediately or wait a few years to do it, the first year is still going to be the worst, but every month you wait to get to a tier one major costs you $25k+ a month in final earnings.
02-06-2018, 03:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Sliceback
What do you value more? Every year flying a King Air is a year off the end of your airline career. A 44 yr old hired today would retire around #1575. That’s 11% overall. About 5 yrs as a 777/787/330 CA in the junior bases. One to two yrs in the senior bases. Or you could stay as a n//b CA and retire around 14% in a senior base or 4% in a junior base.
The pay you’d forgo would be around $350,00 per year. So the King Air job would ‘cost’ you about $200-250K per year.
The pay you’d forgo would be around $350,00 per year. So the King Air job would ‘cost’ you about $200-250K per year.
02-06-2018, 03:41 PM
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More good advice, thanks.
I got my apps in to the “big 6” back in November. I plan to retire in July. I’m currently flying and I’ll finish with about 2500TT/2000TPIC all fighter/trainer. So hopefully it’s just a matter of time before I start getting calls.
I would only consider the King Air job for QOL reasons (teenagers at home and in-laws with health issues nearby). I know it would cost me a few years of seniority and pay in the long run though.
I’m leaning towards AA because I’m close enough to DFW that I could sit LC at home and still be within driving distance.
I got my apps in to the “big 6” back in November. I plan to retire in July. I’m currently flying and I’ll finish with about 2500TT/2000TPIC all fighter/trainer. So hopefully it’s just a matter of time before I start getting calls.
I would only consider the King Air job for QOL reasons (teenagers at home and in-laws with health issues nearby). I know it would cost me a few years of seniority and pay in the long run though.
I’m leaning towards AA because I’m close enough to DFW that I could sit LC at home and still be within driving distance.
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