Rumor only:Lost an engine after departure and on the return to SAV lost a second engine same side.

Dramatic much? :rolleyes:

Still should have been able to fly with 2 out on the same side as long as the plane weighed less than 120K. We practiced this in the Sim. Could have been a number of things: rudder hardover, prop malfunction and would not feather or the crew didn't get to that point in time. C-130E's do not have auto-feather, when an engine quits you have to manually pull the condition level to feather. Always a chance to pull the wrong lever too, that's why our SOP's call for verifying the correct lever with the F/E.

No, reality. Old airplanes maintained by 19 yr olds. In my airline and fractional aviation career from 1989 until last year I've only had one incident where I could have declared an emergency (no flap landing).

In 2700 hours flying C-130E's from 1982-89 I had ELEVEN inflight emergencies. 8 were engine failures/shut downs, 3 were hydraulic boost pack malfunctions. Nothing like uncommanded control inputs to get your attention.

Agreed, wasn’t trying to diagnose. Just pointing out an aileron or rudder surface could cause the same flight profile.

Yes they could. Almost has to be something mechanically catastrophic. It was going to the boneyard, so presumably no cargo. I assume even two engines out on one side would be manageable in an empty C-130?

C-130s have asymmetrical flap protection (left vs right side) but not split flap protection (onboard left flap vs inboard left flap)

You’re not factoring in the MTBF on parts that the military is willing to accept that airlines aren’t. If a part has a MTBF (Mean Time Before Failure) of 200 hours, the military might think that’s fine, but t the airlines will laugh you out of the room.

Those 19 year olds right out of MX school have oversight by 5 and 7 levels. It’s not like some kid is just Slapping things together.

Don't feel bad. I flew the A.

Great airplane, when the wings stayed on.

You need weight below 120k and you MUST have 160 KIAS, or you need to unload or descend to get the speed. Hopefully you have the altitude. If you've lost 2 on the same side, you're heavy/slow and the engineer instinctively reaches up and closes the bleeds on the 2 good engines, you'll have more yaw than the very large rudder can overcome.

The video looks like the airplane rolled left and then yawed hard left and just quit flying.

A Southern Air plane crashed in the 80s and it seems similar. The setup was different, but that plane yawed so quickly into the simulated dead engine the airplane pretty much turned sideways in flight and stalled/crashed.

RIP to the crew...Here's a toast.