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JackStraw 05-03-2018 03:15 PM


Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 2585431)
Rumor only:Lost an engine after departure and on the return to SAV lost a second engine same side.

That doesn’t explain a hard over roll like that though.

C130driver 05-03-2018 03:41 PM


Originally Posted by tahoejace (Post 2585437)
Dramatic much? :rolleyes:

Maybe it came across like that, but I’m dead serious. At least towards the end of the H stint on active duty they were poorly maintained (to no fault of the hard working maintainers - just lack of money), beat to death and worn out.

tahoejace 05-03-2018 04:21 PM


Originally Posted by C130driver (Post 2585757)
Maybe it came across like that, but I’m dead serious. At least towards the end of the H stint on active duty they were poorly maintained (to no fault of the hard working maintainers - just lack of money), beat to death and worn out.

I know what you mean, I've been flying these things for 16 years. You're right, they're tired, but I think there's a difference between expecting an HSI to fail and expecting a catastrophic failure causing a Class A. The Air Force flies a lot of parts to failure, but I'm not walking out to every airplane expecting it to crash. I think there's something else to blame here besides just being an old, tired, poorly maintained airplane. Maybe I'm wrong, but I'm not one to jump on the aging warhorse bandwagon until I see some facts that point in that direction. At this point we don't have any.

C130driver 05-03-2018 08:05 PM


Originally Posted by tahoejace (Post 2585785)
I know what you mean, I've been flying these things for 16 years. You're right, they're tired, but I think there's a difference between expecting an HSI to fail and expecting a catastrophic failure causing a Class A. The Air Force flies a lot of parts to failure, but I'm not walking out to every airplane expecting it to crash. I think there's something else to blame here besides just being an old, tired, poorly maintained airplane. Maybe I'm wrong, but I'm not one to jump on the aging warhorse bandwagon until I see some facts that point in that direction. At this point we don't have any.

Fair enough, I am very curious to see the AIB when it comes out; hopefully there is something we can all learn from it when it does.

HuggyU2 05-03-2018 11:27 PM


Originally Posted by C130driver (Post 2585885)
Fair enough, I am very curious to see the AIB when it comes out; hopefully there is something we can all learn from it when it does.

Agreed.
And let's hope... that until then... the unnecessary and unprofessional public speculation stops.

A Squared 05-04-2018 02:37 AM


Originally Posted by Klondike Bear (Post 2585234)
This one was an E not an H.

No, it was an H, #65-0968

A Squared 05-04-2018 02:42 AM


Originally Posted by TiredSoul (Post 2585225)
I don’t know anything about those engines, prop governor and backup or fail safe systems.
Any chance an outboard prop going flat or even beta could have caused this?


It's possible. There are systems in the prop intended to prevent a prop going into flat pitch in flight, but like anything, they're not infallible. I know of at least one instance where a prop has gone below the low-pitch stop in flight.

A Squared 05-04-2018 02:47 AM


Originally Posted by AirBear (Post 2585444)
C-130E's do not have auto-feather, when an engine quits you have to manually pull the condition level to feather.

As noted, it was an H, not an E. True, neither the E nor the H had autofeather, but they both have negative torque sensing which will drive the prop toward feather until the negative torque condition is alleviated. It's not autofeather, but it does dramatically reduce the drag of a windmilling prop.

A Squared 05-04-2018 02:52 AM


Originally Posted by JTwift (Post 2585585)
C-130s have asymmetrical flap protection (left vs right side) but not split flap protection (onboard left flap vs inboard left flap)

And the asymmetrical flap protection is not foolproof. If the flap drive separates between the 90 degree gearbox and the flap drive screw, it's outside of the asymmetrical flap sensor. This exact failure happened to a co-worker bout 6 months ago.

Han Solo 05-04-2018 04:37 AM


Originally Posted by HuggyU2 (Post 2585913)
Agreed.
And let's hope... that until then... the unnecessary and unprofessional public speculation stops.

*shrug*
It's not like we're on the news telling millions or somebody in the chain of command taking punitive action based upon speculation. What's happening here doesn't hurt anybody. In a month the truth will come out and people will either look like geniuses or asses and likely it'll be forgotten by the majority anyway. Discussions revolving around safety shouldn't be stifled and are most certainly not unprofessional.


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