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Originally Posted by AirBear (Post 2585461)

...Old airplanes maintained by 19 yr olds...

Not in the ANG! I’ll take Guard maintenance any day!:cool:

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Originally Posted by F15andMD11 (Post 2586365)

Not in the ANG! I’ll take Guard maintenance any day!:cool:

That's true, you would have more experienced maintainers in a Guard unit. Those guys were in the same boat as many B-52 pilots. The plane was older than they were. I flew 1964 E models 30 years ago, I can't imagine flying a 65 model after all this time. And PR doesn't have the best weather for long term aircraft health.

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Originally Posted by F4E Mx (Post 2586346)

As critical as the Caribbean is I don't see why the USAF doesn't have an active-duty base at the old Ramey AFB with a Guard unit as tenant. Same for the Navy base at Roosevelt Roads and their associated Air Station. And why would you have decrepit C-130s with wing cracks as weather airplanes? Surely they were not asked to fly into hurricanes in those things?

Weather mission is not priority for new planes. New planes have the latest technical capabilities which are intended for warfighting. Weather is always going to be hand-me-downs. I "assume" they pay extra special attention to the structure of aircraft so employed.

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Originally Posted by hydrostream (Post 2586505)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ldwWfQb4Odo

Start watching at 2:40

:(

That was some serious yaw. :(

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Originally Posted by PowderFinger (Post 2586509)

That was some serious yaw. :(

..My condolences for the families and friends..It does look like one or both engines went to reverse thrust on the left side..Is this possible to select in flight..??..C130 drivers..??

Fly safe,
B757

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Originally Posted by B757 (Post 2586550)

Yes, it is possible to select reverse in flight, but You'd have to lift the throttle up over the flight idle gate. I can't imagine any scenario where someone would do that, even unintentionally on a departure. There have been mechanical failures which have resulted in in-flight prop reversing. That would seem more likely, if prop reversing is a factor.

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Originally Posted by B757 (Post 2586550)

On any turboprop the potential exists if the interlocks/safeties fail, or if the hub mechanism fails, for the prop to unintentionally go into Beta (low/reserve pitch). Usually with bad results.

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Originally Posted by Yoda2 (Post 2586101)

Something else to consider is that historically [not saying it's the case here] when an aircraft is prepped for a flight to the boneyard, especially to meet the ax [vs flyable storage] they are often stripped to various degrees and also low time/cycle components are removed and replaced with high time/cycle, sometimes nearly run out components.

As an example, I know of a flight, many years ago, where a ferry crew delivered a 4 engine jet airliner for demolition. Besides being prepped for its 2 Hr last flight, it had been stripped to the point of being a lighter weight than even the factory had ever flown one; so the crew had to extrapolate data... And flying with essentially a ferry kit of instruments.

Apparently this accident aircrew was very experienced, as is typical of these sorts of flights; so I am of the opinion that this was not likely pilot error, more likely something they did not have the ability to deal with.

God bless this crew, and all of our troops...

Military aircraft going to Davis Monthan for storage must show up in a full mission capable status. Junkers are rejected... it’s war reserve storage. We had to cannibalize several fleet jets a few years ago in order to send another down there to the boneyard. Sounds backwards, until the balloon goes up and those airplanes are called upon.

True junkers that have corrosion/fatigue or other unrepairable issues usually wind up on a stick somewhere after being stripped of useable parts.

Those were devastating news, I knew some of those guys personally so it just hurts even more. I have nothing but good things to say about those guys and the rest of the PRANG. Hoping this incident drives some positive change, they deserve it. I'll never forget those guys, may they RIP and hopefully their families find some peace.