😔 Guard C-130 Down
05-03-2018 | 07:39 AM
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05-03-2018 | 07:49 AM
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05-03-2018 | 07:54 AM
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Still should have been able to fly with 2 out on the same side as long as the plane weighed less than 120K. We practiced this in the Sim. Could have been a number of things: rudder hardover, prop malfunction and would not feather or the crew didn't get to that point in time. C-130E's do not have auto-feather, when an engine quits you have to manually pull the condition level to feather. Always a chance to pull the wrong lever too, that's why our SOP's call for verifying the correct lever with the F/E.
05-03-2018 | 08:03 AM
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No, reality. Old airplanes maintained by 19 yr olds. In my airline and fractional aviation career from 1989 until last year I've only had one incident where I could have declared an emergency (no flap landing).
In 2700 hours flying C-130E's from 1982-89 I had ELEVEN inflight emergencies. 8 were engine failures/shut downs, 3 were hydraulic boost pack malfunctions. Nothing like uncommanded control inputs to get your attention.
In 2700 hours flying C-130E's from 1982-89 I had ELEVEN inflight emergencies. 8 were engine failures/shut downs, 3 were hydraulic boost pack malfunctions. Nothing like uncommanded control inputs to get your attention.
05-03-2018 | 08:14 AM
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05-03-2018 | 09:51 AM
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Yes they could. Almost has to be something mechanically catastrophic. It was going to the boneyard, so presumably no cargo. I assume even two engines out on one side would be manageable in an empty C-130?
05-03-2018 | 10:27 AM
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The flight path may possibly indicate a split flap occurred on flap retraction? the left flap retracted from the take-off position but the right one didn't and then they couldn't lower the left flap back into position to compensate. Don't know if that is even possible on the C-130. The aircraft is rotating about the roll axis even in a 90 degrees nose-down attitude. Beyond tragic. Prayers for the families.
05-03-2018 | 10:30 AM
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No, reality. Old airplanes maintained by 19 yr olds. In my airline and fractional aviation career from 1989 until last year I've only had one incident where I could have declared an emergency (no flap landing).
In 2700 hours flying C-130E's from 1982-89 I had ELEVEN inflight emergencies. 8 were engine failures/shut downs, 3 were hydraulic boost pack malfunctions. Nothing like uncommanded control inputs to get your attention.
In 2700 hours flying C-130E's from 1982-89 I had ELEVEN inflight emergencies. 8 were engine failures/shut downs, 3 were hydraulic boost pack malfunctions. Nothing like uncommanded control inputs to get your attention.
Those 19 year olds right out of MX school have oversight by 5 and 7 levels. It’s not like some kid is just Slapping things together.
05-03-2018 | 03:08 PM
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Still should have been able to fly with 2 out on the same side as long as the plane weighed less than 120K. We practiced this in the Sim. Could have been a number of things: rudder hardover, prop malfunction and would not feather or the crew didn't get to that point in time. C-130E's do not have auto-feather, when an engine quits you have to manually pull the condition level to feather. Always a chance to pull the wrong lever too, that's why our SOP's call for verifying the correct lever with the F/E.
The video looks like the airplane rolled left and then yawed hard left and just quit flying.
A Southern Air plane crashed in the 80s and it seems similar. The setup was different, but that plane yawed so quickly into the simulated dead engine the airplane pretty much turned sideways in flight and stalled/crashed.
RIP to the crew...Here's a toast.
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