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Old 05-04-2018, 10:36 PM
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The second half of that youtube video above is going to help the investigation big time. Scary to see an airplane yaw around a turn like that and even scarier to watch the results. RIP aviators.
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Old 05-04-2018, 10:55 PM
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Originally Posted by VSTOLG4 View Post
The second half of that youtube video above is going to help the investigation big time. Scary to see an airplane yaw around a turn like that and even scarier to watch the results. RIP aviators.
Yes, seeing that it was yawing well before it was rolling would seem to point away from aileron malfunction or asymmetric flap condition.
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It looked like a power application on the right side as indicated by exhaust smoke followed by the VMC roll.
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Those were devastating news, I knew some of those guys personally so it just hurts even more. I have nothing but good things to say about those guys and the rest of the PRANG. Hoping this incident drives some positive change, they deserve it. I'll never forget those guys, may they RIP and hopefully their families find some peace.
Dirty, I'm sorry for your loss. Very difficult to watch that. My hope is that the mishap investigation will glean something all Herc (and similar airframe) crews can learn from in prevention of future mishaps.

My thoughts and prayers to the crew, families/friends and squadron with a very difficult loss/circumstances!
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Old 05-05-2018, 11:01 AM
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Military aircraft going to Davis Monthan for storage must show up in a full mission capable status. Junkers are rejected... it’s war reserve storage. We had to cannibalize several fleet jets a few years ago in order to send another down there to the boneyard. Sounds backwards, until the balloon goes up and those airplanes are called upon.

True junkers that have corrosion/fatigue or other unrepairable issues usually wind up on a stick somewhere after being stripped of useable parts.
The aircraft will be fully mission capable. On paper.

The engines will have been exchanged for the oldest, most trouble prone engines on the base. Same with the radar and radios.

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Old 05-05-2018, 09:03 PM
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The helicopter I flew there went straight to the shredder and only a few of them were put into shrink wrap. We definitely stripped them of the mission equipment too, even the ones being stored. They were as bare bones as we could get them.
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Old 05-06-2018, 05:03 AM
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Originally Posted by trip View Post
It looked like a power application on the right side as indicated by exhaust smoke followed by the VMC roll.
I noticed that as well.

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The aircraft will be fully mission capable. On paper.

The engines will have been exchanged for the oldest, most trouble prone engines on the base. Same with the radar and radios.

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Exactly. The one jet I took to the boneyard was safe per the forms but you know MX put the most troublesome parts into that jet before it left. In addition, the mission gear was in shambles and much of it didn't work.
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Old 05-06-2018, 06:24 AM
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I took 2 jets to the Bone Yard (one of which, Ghost Rider, has returned to service). They were stripped down to min equipment required for flight for min crew (all extra ejection seats removed, etc), but MX did not install or swap out any older parts just to send it the Bone Yard.
We still had snow in the wheel wells when we landed in Arizona, so the Bone Yard civilians had a snowball fight before it all melted.
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Old 05-06-2018, 11:40 AM
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Yeah, the G-model BUFF that I flew to the boneyard was definitely not mission ready. No engines were swapped or anything like that, but the nav systems were stripped and the flight was flown unpressurized, at/below 10K....

It was like a giant tweet flight.
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No, it was an H, #65-0968
The WC-130Hs started out as E-models and were modified into HC-130Hs before being further modified into WC-130Hs.

They are basically Super Es. They have many of the sub-systems of the E (GTC/ATM, etc), but have the -15 engines of the H.

The only thing we know here is they departed controlled flight. What precipitated that is unknown at this time. There's rumor out there they were having some kind of propulsion problem, which would make sense given the yaw in the video. However, a large range of problems could have caused that...everything from mechanical problems to improper pilot inputs during a mechanical failure. It could've been a combination of a VMCA roll and a stall. Time will tell. No sense in getting too invested in any particular theory.

Until the AIB/SIB is released, just pray for the families left behind.
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