Joining with a juvenile record
#21
That's an ad for a lawyer in Colorado?
If for some reason you think you need to lie to any federal national security or law enforcement agency, please consult with a lawyer who specializes in *federal* issues. Probably need to look inside the beltway, not in a fly-over state for the right guy.
#22
APC lawyers are the worst kind. Unless a very experienced attorney advised me otherwise, I would disclose everything, even expunged stuff. A quick google search shows there are definitely circumstances where expunged stuff shows up.
https://www.recordgone.com/articles/...d-be-found.htm
https://www.recordgone.com/articles/...d-be-found.htm
Talk to a lawyer who specializes in the issue at hand. Same thing for federal aviation issues, some of your local strip mall ambulance chasers will just give you the canned employment law answer that applies to job applicants at jiffy lube.
#23
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That's an ad for a lawyer in Colorado?
If for some reason you think you need to lie to any federal national security or law enforcement agency, please consult with a lawyer who specializes in *federal* issues. Probably need to look inside the beltway, not in a fly-over state for the right guy.
If for some reason you think you need to lie to any federal national security or law enforcement agency, please consult with a lawyer who specializes in *federal* issues. Probably need to look inside the beltway, not in a fly-over state for the right guy.
https://www.courts.state.co.us/Forms...ngement%20.pdf
The expungement is applicable to the military. Again, rather than take the advice of me, you, or anyone else here, the OP should consult an attorney familiar with juvenile law.
#24
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I get the original poster probably doesn’t want to disclose to the public on the internet what he did, but really, how bad was it? is it really worth a lawyer and all this worrying? A simple call to a recruiter should tell you if it’s disqualifying or not (or internet search). Heck, PM me and I’ll ask our recruiter point blank for you if you want
So, I was that kid in HS and Freshman year of College that seemed to get in trouble every time I went out. I had MANY misdemeanors and stood in front of a judge more than once... I even had to check into big boy jail for a very long weekend to “learn my lesson”. Been there, done that and understand your worry.
Here’s my advice... be honest. I was and it didn’t stop me from getting UPT slot. I simply listed everything that I was charged with and the resultant action. And, just like a ASAP or any other official report, i only put as little detail as I possibly could get away with about each.
I had one or two that I wasn’t sure if they could see or not... I had two choices... disclose or chance them finding it
I chose honesty and there were no issues.
Free advice... take it for what it’s worth
So, I was that kid in HS and Freshman year of College that seemed to get in trouble every time I went out. I had MANY misdemeanors and stood in front of a judge more than once... I even had to check into big boy jail for a very long weekend to “learn my lesson”. Been there, done that and understand your worry.
Here’s my advice... be honest. I was and it didn’t stop me from getting UPT slot. I simply listed everything that I was charged with and the resultant action. And, just like a ASAP or any other official report, i only put as little detail as I possibly could get away with about each.
I had one or two that I wasn’t sure if they could see or not... I had two choices... disclose or chance them finding it
I chose honesty and there were no issues.
Free advice... take it for what it’s worth
#25
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Joined APC: Sep 2008
Position: B767
Posts: 1,899
I get the original poster probably doesn’t want to disclose to the public on the internet what he did, but really, how bad was it? is it really worth a lawyer and all this worrying? A simple call to a recruiter should tell you if it’s disqualifying or not (or internet search). Heck, PM me and I’ll ask our recruiter point blank for you if you want
So, I was that kid in HS and Freshman year of College that seemed to get in trouble every time I went out. I had MANY misdemeanors and stood in front of a judge more than once... I even had to check into big boy jail for a very long weekend to “learn my lesson”. Been there, done that and understand your worry.
Here’s my advice... be honest. I was and it didn’t stop me from getting UPT slot. I simply listed everything that I was charged with and the resultant action. And, just like a ASAP or any other official report, i only put as little detail as I possibly could get away with about each.
I had one or two that I wasn’t sure if they could see or not... I had two choices... disclose or chance them finding it
I chose honesty and there were no issues.
Free advice... take it for what it’s worth
So, I was that kid in HS and Freshman year of College that seemed to get in trouble every time I went out. I had MANY misdemeanors and stood in front of a judge more than once... I even had to check into big boy jail for a very long weekend to “learn my lesson”. Been there, done that and understand your worry.
Here’s my advice... be honest. I was and it didn’t stop me from getting UPT slot. I simply listed everything that I was charged with and the resultant action. And, just like a ASAP or any other official report, i only put as little detail as I possibly could get away with about each.
I had one or two that I wasn’t sure if they could see or not... I had two choices... disclose or chance them finding it
I chose honesty and there were no issues.
Free advice... take it for what it’s worth
As far as getting a lawyer and clearing up juvenile issues, that’s not even necessary. I have a family member that had a bit of a checkered past, and we fairly recently went through all of this to clear up his past as he embarks on a new career. We expunged his record without the need for an attorney.
#26
You need to take your own advice here. I never said anything about lying to law enforcement agencies. Here’s a link from the state of Colorado about what expungement means and how it is applicable to the individual:
https://www.courts.state.co.us/Forms...ngement%20.pdf
The expungement is applicable to the military. Again, rather than take the advice of me, you, or anyone else here, the OP should consult an attorney familiar with juvenile law.
https://www.courts.state.co.us/Forms...ngement%20.pdf
The expungement is applicable to the military. Again, rather than take the advice of me, you, or anyone else here, the OP should consult an attorney familiar with juvenile law.
You are so 100% wrong, and it doesn't matter what some local-yokel shyster put on his web page. I am a senior military officer and I know this for sure.
If the DoD finds out that you didn't disclose something they asked for, they will revoke your security clearance and you're out. Unlike any other employers they will actually call your friends, and then get the names of some more people who know you from them, and then call those people, who may not be your friends at all... A background check can cost up to $100K, and even accounting for government inefficiency that's a still a lot of scrutiny that's going to be focused on your background. If you're applying to be an officer and pilot, most will need a TS/SCI clearance (everyone needs a secret eligibility today).
As long as we're posting random links...
https://www.thebalancecareers.com/ca...enlist-3354071
Can I Enlist in the Military with an Expunged Record? NJ Expungement
Bur don't take my word for it, you can go to a strip mall and ask a recruiter. Don't even need to tell him your name.
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