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Old 05-13-2020, 09:08 AM
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I am not aware of any transport category military airplanes which were later re-purposed for commercial 121 PAX airliner use.

Many would need full FAA certification, etc.

The DC-3 may be the only exception, not sure if the C-47 came first or the DC-3 came first.

Some attempts have been made to re-purpose the C-130 design into commercial/civilian pax and cargo ops but those have had minimal success. yes they are used in public-use firefighting.
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I am not aware of any transport category military airplanes which were later re-purposed for commercial 121 PAX airliner use.

Many would need full FAA certification, etc.

The DC-3 may be the only exception, not sure if the C-47 came first or the DC-3
The C-135 actually beat the B-707 into production by almost a year.
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The DC-3 beat the C-47 by by about 5 years.
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Originally Posted by rickair7777 View Post
Like USN fighters will never perform as well as USAF fighters... Navy birds need beefy center structure and LDG gear for carrier ops, which they then have to drag around the sky all the time.
Don’t tell that to the F-8 guys, they’ll hang ya! Humbled many a Hun driver. Oh, then there’s a Phantom.
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Don’t tell that to the F-8 guys, they’ll hang ya! Humbled many a Hun driver. Oh, then there’s a Phantom.
I was talking about planes, didn't say USN pilots were inferior
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Originally Posted by rickair7777 View Post
I was talking about planes, didn't say USN pilots were inferior
How about the jarhead pilots..? Especially those who flew these..?



Although from personal experience I can say, while others may out fly them there’s d@mn few that can out drink them...
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Originally Posted by rickair7777 View Post
I was talking about planes, didn't say USN pilots were inferior
I was talking planes, too. The F-8 was a contemporary of the Hun—it weighed 3,500# less (18% less!), flew about M.5 faster, slightly less wing area, out turned a Hun. And, killed pilots at about the same rate. Both had guns installed.

i had a couple of F-8 guys in my ANG squadron, had to listen to it all. One converted to the A-10, had never previously flew a twin engine plane, took awhile to stop having the CC tell Him to start #2.
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Originally Posted by rickair7777 View Post
I was talking about planes, didn't say USN pilots were inferior
The Navy doesn’t have pilots, it has Nasal Aniators, amirite?
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The Navy doesn’t have pilots, it has Nasal Aniators, amirite?
Resorted to the colloquial to ensure broadest comprehension.
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Originally Posted by senecacaptain View Post
I am not aware of any transport category military airplanes which were later re-purposed for commercial 121 PAX airliner use.

Many would need full FAA certification, etc.

The DC-3 may be the only exception, not sure if the C-47 came first or the DC-3 came first.

Some attempts have been made to re-purpose the C-130 design into commercial/civilian pax and cargo ops but those have had minimal success. yes they are used in public-use firefighting.
The Lockheed C130 was fully certificated, hence the L382 type on my FAA license. The C141 also achieved certification, as NASA operated at least one. That was the L400 or L4xx type. The last time I saw it was out at Moffett Field, Mountain View, CA. Alas, Lockheed was unable to interest anyone in a certificated C5, although years ago, in a model shop, I saw wooden C5 model in white, with red trim, and L500 on the fuselage.

The C130 has been very successfully operated as a pax and cargo craft in the civilian world, both internationally and in the U.S. Lynden Air Cargo, the earlier version of Southern Air, and even Delta Air Lines had a C130 fleet!

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