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Old 05-12-2020, 10:41 AM
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International flying is going to be down for awhile and some of the airlines who do it are trimming their international fleet types and may need to be moving internatIonal pilots to domestic due to their seniority if international fling (or all flying) is still significantly impaired after 1 October.

so what about CRAF aircraft and CRAF pilots? Is somebody watching that issue? It seems like a reasonable case could be made to Congress and the US military that the government should bear the FULL cost of preserving that capability until civilian international flying resumes.
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International flying is going to be down for awhile and some of the airlines who do it are trimming their international fleet types and may need to be moving internatIonal pilots to domestic due to their seniority if international fling (or all flying) is still significantly impaired after 1 October.

so what about CRAF aircraft and CRAF pilots? Is somebody watching that issue? It seems like a reasonable case could be made to Congress and the US military that the government should bear the FULL cost of preserving that capability until civilian international flying resumes.
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Reduction of aircraft and crews.
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DoD is watching, specifically TRANSCOM.

Intervention will occur if it looks like required capacity will be lost permanently, of if it will degraded such that it cannot be utilized in a timely manner.

In fact they should have had a regularly scheduled conference with the airlines last month, doubtless the agenda had to be changed last-minute from what was originally planned.
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I’d guess if a major contingency erupted, the airlines could easily fulfill the demand. It would take a fairly large and permanent collapse of international flying to effect the CRAF. Even during the Iraq war, they only barely went into Stage II.
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I’d guess if a major contingency erupted, the airlines could easily fulfill the demand. It would take a fairly large and permanent collapse of international flying to effect the CRAF. Even during the Iraq war, they only barely went into Stage II.
Very true. Iraq war was significantly less when compared to 1991 Gulf War executing over 5,000 missions. Never say never, but highly doubtful deployments of such magnitude will ever be seen again due to ranging technology, upgrades in drone warfare and politics of course to name a few.

C-17s being revisited for the civilian force will be a no-go although mentioned in the article. Not happening. Well, the revisit might but the actual sale of it won’t. My 2 cents.
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C-17s being revisited for the civilian force will be a no-go although mentioned in the article. Not happening. Well, the revisit might but the actual sale of it won’t. My 2 cents.
Modern military airlifters are generally unsuitable for most civilian service... they have design compromises which make them good at some military missions, but far too costly in terms of weight, burn, mx, etc to compete with civilian aircraft. Ex. C-17 nearly 600K MGTOW but can land on short dirt/gravel strips... that capability is not free, more MX, lower reliability, plus carry around some pretty heavy structural metal all the time just in case you need to go off roading.

Like USN fighters will never perform as well as USAF fighters... Navy birds need beefy center structure and LDG gear for carrier ops, which they then have to drag around the sky all the time.
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