I'm pretty sure you are right that one guy got four kills, however he shot them down one at a time. The Eagle kills were BVR shots on multiple groups by a single jet (wingman targeted one, flight lead both and he ultimately received credit for both after tape / MIG wreckage review).

 

Some of the Viper historians will have to chime in but I'm pretty sure the flight lead got them all (4). From what I've been told the wingman was blind. The wingman I was told later reached fame with the line "I was a scared little bunny rabbit".

 

And you didn't even answer the question either. Standard. Dude, the next AF Chief of Staff is going to be a heavy driver, guess lack of combat time didn't hurt him. My point is you put too much career emphasis on it.

As for the F/A-22 I would be willing to place a large bet that the Raptor will be put in front of the next shooting match to assure it gets some kills. I believe this aircraft is justified, others do not, and the PR campaign that follows will go some distance towards rectifying that. As for combat experience in that fleet it has quite a few guys with that square filled. At least one has a MIG kill. And they have been squaring away who gets in these days, too much dilution of core skills from what I hear.

Now we were having a nice little discussion and you have to start flinging sh!t with the pie hole comment. Why is it you have something to prove? Like most guys who meet you at the bar you would get a knowing smirk then get a good look at their back as they sought intelligent conversation elsewhere.

Oh, and if you do reply answer the question I posed to the Marine FAC.

 

I've heard this exact same story as well. It is probably embellishment, but I had also heard that at some point while 1 is trying to do some shooting, our intrepid Zulu actually flies through the HUD of #1.

 

You are right - Galebs. Thanks.
Not sure who the "other" is that you are referring too though? Elaborate please?

USMCFLYR

 

Yes - they were all in the visual arena, but I thought your point was that no other radar equipped fighter had kills or something to that effect. I must have misread (or interpreted) your original post.

USMCFLYR

 

Bifff15 -

I must have missed the question to the Marine FAC. Can you restate.

USMCFLYR

 

I didn't type that well. I meant it was the first multi-target, multi-kill. And yes it could have been any radar equipped fighter today, my bringing it up was just to add a historical footnote to those kills.

As for the questions previously posted they were for Sig and included:

How many sorties did the Iraqi AF fly in Desert Storm 2 and why?

 

The lead worked in the CAS cell with our AC130 LNOs. You are correct about the little bunny that "return-ed with honor"

 

Uh dude, the CSAF is a former SOF guy. He has more combat time than most 4-ships of F15s combined. Not being a smartass - its the truth. He flew AC130s in Vietnam then Talons in many conflicts. He was on the test crew for the Credible Sport Talon missions to grab the Iranian hostages after the unfortunate incident at Desert One.
I would venture to guess 99% of the SOF guys have more combat time than 99% of the rest of the AF..since Desert I. Although much of their time isn't ever categorized as O-1. Hell, I technically have 2000+ hours of combat...but they wouldnt let me log it as we werent yet in an official war. Then they released a policy that would allow me to go back and grab all my 781s to log it....never did. Wish I would have...woulda been cool to have that and a quarter get me some coffee.