letsfly

So after hearing about 20 different ways of converting my military time and not understanding them I go to the old faithful reliable source - airlinepilotcentral.com forums. I mean I have heard all kinds of crazy ways to convert including programs that divide by Pi. Here is my info:

Since becoming an Aircraft Commander:

Primary - 350
Instructor - 665
Sorties flown - 361

Question: So with this info what is my total airline PIC time? I haven't included my other time (180) or my secondary (290) since some airlines won't let you include this time at all except for your total time. Any help would be appreciated!

Letsfly

Hacker15e

There is no standard conversion. It varies from airline to airline, and sometimes is based on sorties and sometimes on hours.

There have been a couple threads on here in the past where people have posted the various conversion factors used by different companies.

APC has an Excel spreadsheet for making some of the calculations available for download here:

http://www.airlinepilotcentral.com/o...Itemid,85.html

caddis

Here is the quickest and easiest way to log your time.

All time since upgrade is PIC
All time prior to upgrade is SIC
Your IP time can be put into your PIC time as well
Do not add in your Other time

Take your Form 5 to your interview with you and you will have no problems. Some guys will subtract 5% of there time since upgrade and put it into SIC as a wag for times they were not the AC.

I did this for my three interviews with Majors back in 1999 and got hired at them all, no one questioned my times.

FlyFastLiveSlow

I basically did the same thing as caddis. Here's a few rules I used:
All Instructor time was PIC. 90% or Primary and Secondary as an aircraft commander was PIC. Other time is other time--not in the seat. The rest is SIC. Most airlines also have conversions for military guys that allow you to add time (ex .2 per sortie or .02%). Check the info for the company you are applying with to make sure you know the conversion. Good luck!

c17heavy

What about evaluator time? For example, I just logged 36 hours of EP time on my 781s for a 10 day trip. Can I count that as PIC as well?

130drvr

If you sign for the jet or are coded as an IP/EP you are responsible per 11-401 and I think you can log it. The tricky part is when you give an eval to a guy who signs for the plane and you just hop on. That is a bit grey. Since no airline can prove who signed for, I say call it PIC, just know that the airline answer is "did you sign for the plane?"

If there is no multipler for mil guys at a particular place(NJA has one but doesn't advertise it) I would suggest adding .2 per sortie to compensate for taxi time.

Bottom line, you will have to be able to explain it at an interview. I took the painful step of getting a new Jepp professional logbook when I got out and redid all 8 years of flying with taxi time added in, if asked, I would say that the time is logged IAW the FARS, when the acft is under motion. If an airline doesn't want that, they will specify on their website usually, just like PIC, Delta or United specifies PIC on their website.

liftr92

no need for the logbook at most places, I took my AF flying history report and claimed 90% of MP other as PIC, along with all IP and EP time. Throw out all MC other and use the total time block for application total time. Worked at both interviews - total time companies spent looking at it about 6 seconds

dannolars

Wonder what you were doing, a little OME fun? How do my brother? I counted all EP as PIC, since I felt like if anything hit the fan it would be my arse before the AC candidates. After a while I started logging EP time until the eval was complete, then I logged IP so it felt more legit. Either way, I would still count it as PIC. I too brought in my flying history report to my interview and had them look at it for about a minute. I brought in a logbook only for my civilian time.

c17heavy

S-bizzle, yeah a little OME fun. Although getting stuck for 3 days past an SRT isnt fun. At least I'm getting per diem rained on me straight up crunk style from ETAR vs OTBH. Holla.

Biggenslow

Most of the bros in my squad have been doing the 90% MP other deal as PIC recently as well. Be careful out there and be able to explain yourself if they call you on including it.