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Old 01-30-2009, 07:01 AM
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Anybody know how a transition from fixed to rotary would go. I'm a tanker guy in the ANG and might go to another guard unit to fly HH-60s. I'm sure it's a trip to Ft Rucker and Kirtland, but for how long.
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Old 01-31-2009, 10:35 AM
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i'm not too sure about military training but i know in the civ world if you already have a certification such as CPL or PPL it takes a hell of a lot less flight time to add another priviledge such as Rotary-Wing...i think the biggest obstacle would be getting Instrument-Rotorywing as far as the civ world is concerned.
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Great question...anyone, anyone?

What guard unit flies HH60s?
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Here's my guess, since no one knowledgeable has chimed in...

Unlike the other services, Army entry-level helo training does not include any fixed wing training. For that reason, I'm pretty sure you would have to complete the full flight training course. Maybe you can skip some classroom training?
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I know a guy who is in the process of going AD A10s to AK ANG HH60s and he is in fort rucker right now. Don't know for how long but his wife is on a six month deployment and they say the time frame more or less matches up
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i think the biggest obstacle would be getting Instrument-Rotorywing as far as the civ world is concerned.
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Actually, this is hardly any obstacle at all. If you have a fixed wing IR, then the RW IR transition is only 5 hours plus a checkride (unless they've changed it since 1991).

We use to do it in the R-22 instrument trainers. Guys would come in with their comm or pvt RW ratings, plus a PVT or better FW with an IR, and we'd give them 5 hours of dual, then send them for the checkride.

It was two pilot ops, so the checkride was fairly easy if you were in any way instrument current.

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Rucker isn't all that long for the AF guys (I don't think) who go through there since they already went through UPT. The 60 transition is elsewhere...all they have is UH-1s at rucker for the AF (as of a year ago anyway). I would guess the 60 transition is a couple months after initial UH-1 helo training which is 4 or 5 months probably (rough estimate, could be way off...). My highschool classmate was at rucker for AF helo flight training when I was there for flight school, and as I recall he was there no more than 6 months.

Doesn't answer your question but thats the best I can give you and it doesn't seem like many other people know. I do know you would go through rucker then the 60 transition...and you are looking at just shy of a year if I had to guess.
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Originally Posted by NuGuy View Post
Actually, this is hardly any obstacle at all. If you have a fixed wing IR, then the RW IR transition is only 5 hours plus a checkride (unless they've changed it since 1991).

We use to do it in the R-22 instrument trainers. Guys would come in with their comm or pvt RW ratings, plus a PVT or better FW with an IR, and we'd give them 5 hours of dual, then send them for the checkride.

It was two pilot ops, so the checkride was fairly easy if you were in any way instrument current.

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This is all absolutely true. It's not quite two-pilot; you basically can use the other guy as a(n) SAS in the R22. Even the examiner. The CFII ride is basically the same - just sit in the other seat and talk through the maneuver. People have passed both on the same day.

I can't speak for the Army transition course, but if you're FW instrument qualified you'll have no trouble with a helicopter instrument rating.
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Originally Posted by NuGuy View Post
Heyas,

Actually, this is hardly any obstacle at all. If you have a fixed wing IR, then the RW IR transition is only 5 hours plus a checkride (unless they've changed it since 1991).

We use to do it in the R-22 instrument trainers. Guys would come in with their comm or pvt RW ratings, plus a PVT or better FW with an IR, and we'd give them 5 hours of dual, then send them for the checkride.

It was two pilot ops, so the checkride was fairly easy if you were in any way instrument current.

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We are talking about military, not civilian, flight training. It does not work the same way.
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Originally Posted by Keydet96 View Post
Anybody know how a transition from fixed to rotary would go. I'm a tanker guy in the ANG and might go to another guard unit to fly HH-60s. I'm sure it's a trip to Ft Rucker and Kirtland, but for how long.
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4-5 months at Rucker. ~7 at Kirtland. FW guy currently awaiting a class date.
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