Pilot Pay while in UPT
07-30-2010 | 03:40 AM
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Mustang - Grow some thicker skin, it will serve you well in your career. While I think calling ahead to UPT instructors, to put a bullseye on someone is lame, Grumble has a point about being an E-thug! Also, remember that since you will be a student...IP's can dish it out but can't take it back, at least, not from you. As a buddy of mine can attest, they WILL get their panties in a wad if you try...which is never good for you, the student.
Be sure that your squadron gets you orders to Corpus for phase III, that way you only have to suffer through the bs up tightness of AF pilot training for 6 months. Better yet, see if they will send you to Whiting for Phase I and II. The beach and only showing up for academics, sims and flying (ie...not showing up 12 hours a day, everyday) would be well worth the extra time it takes to get through your training.
Goodluck!
Be sure that your squadron gets you orders to Corpus for phase III, that way you only have to suffer through the bs up tightness of AF pilot training for 6 months. Better yet, see if they will send you to Whiting for Phase I and II. The beach and only showing up for academics, sims and flying (ie...not showing up 12 hours a day, everyday) would be well worth the extra time it takes to get through your training.
Goodluck!
I dont think I will be trying to **** off any of the TI's. Im just pretty much going to take the Forest Gump approach and do everything they tell me, when they tell me. If its wrong I'll do it over again. I expect everything to be wrong during phase I at AMS. I know that in the end I will be a 2nd LT and regardless if they are below me in rank or not i will still respect them the same for turning me into a better soldier than I was before I came.
Im going to be taking the same approach with the IP's at UPT. I have dealt with some A-hole flight instructors through my civilian flight training and hopefully that experience will help some.
07-30-2010 | 03:49 AM
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Oh my. I’d recommend beefing up your thin skin a little more before you embark on this journey of yours.
I think what some of the other “old heads” and I are trying to point out to you is that you appear to be ignoring some of the more traditional methods of “research”. It’s never going to be an acceptable excuse in your military career to claim that you don’t know something because it wasn’t “explained to you”. That implies that you are waiting for the actions of another. Take some responsibility for your own “education” and go find out – don’t wait for someone to do it for you.
So, back to the “research”:
If I had made the choice to pursue a military career in the ANG as a C-130 pilot, I guess I would have included “research” into things like pay and benefits in my PREPARATION for such a choice. I would not have committed to the position and then jumped on an internet forum to try to figure out what I was getting into.
Civilians are able to call military bases just fine. They use normal 7 digit numbers plus area code just like every other facility with a phone in the US. You could also use the phones at your Guard unit and call via DSN which is just a military phone network that doesn’t need an area code(more on your Guard unit later). Either way you get the same person on the same phone. You can go on line in 7 seconds (I just did it) and get the main phone number to the base. I don’t know where you’re going to UPT but Laughlin AFB in TX is a possibility – here’s the main number to that base: (830)298-3511. This will ring the base operator who will connect you with whoever you want to talk to.
Or you can call directly to any office if you have their phone number. Here’s a quick reference list that took me about 90 seconds to find.
http://www.laughlin.af.mil/shared/me...081107-038.pdf
Guess what I googled………..I know this is going to be tough to follow: Laughlin AFB phone book. That took me to the Laughlin AFB website and I searched for “phone book”. Still with me?
I’m doing this from home – not some special military computer because I retired last year from the Guard. You’ll note two significant numbers on the reference list, Military Personnel Flight (MPF) and Finance. Either one of those numbers will put you in touch with people who would be able to direct you to the mil pay specialists. So, no need to jump any fences and get jacked up by the SPs. The people that answer those phones will be USAF members who speak English and won’t even know you’re a civilian unless you tell them. I’d recommend speaking politely to them (avoid calling them names), explain who you are, what you’d like to find out and I’ll bet you’ll get the answer you’d like.
I’m starting to wonder about where your Guard unit is in all this, too. Somehow you were able to get in touch with someone there, get interviewed and offered a pilot slot. Since most Guard units only hire a few lucky UPT candidates off the street each year, I’m guessing they’d be willing to bend over backwards to help out any new arrival to their “family”. Any chance you might still have a phone number for someone at the unit you claim to be joining. Maybe they might be able to help you with your “research”. Every Guard unit I have ever had contact with had mil pay offices (with phones too
) and lots of smart people working there who have been around the USAF block a few times and know their stuff. Any particular reason why you’re choosing to ignore that resource while you “research” the particulars of the job you apparently already accepted without knowing much about it?
Some free advice from someone who was in your shoes 23 years ago. One, expand your list of resources to find the answers you’re looking for. Computers are nice but the military (especially the Guard) has a much better resource in its people. You’ll single yourself out quickly one way or the other depending on how willing you are to go the extra mile and get the job done, big or small. Leave the excuses at the door and bring results. And two, resist the urge to lash out and call anyone who displeases you a “dick”. They may use sarcasm or mild ridicule to enforce the point that you’re being stupid. I’d hazard a guess that some of your UPT instructors may resort to that, depending on how stupid your trying to be. You won’t be the first 2Lt to receive this treatment and it won’t kill you. It might even motivate you to not be stupid in the same way again.
Good luck in your training.
I think what some of the other “old heads” and I are trying to point out to you is that you appear to be ignoring some of the more traditional methods of “research”. It’s never going to be an acceptable excuse in your military career to claim that you don’t know something because it wasn’t “explained to you”. That implies that you are waiting for the actions of another. Take some responsibility for your own “education” and go find out – don’t wait for someone to do it for you.
So, back to the “research”:
If I had made the choice to pursue a military career in the ANG as a C-130 pilot, I guess I would have included “research” into things like pay and benefits in my PREPARATION for such a choice. I would not have committed to the position and then jumped on an internet forum to try to figure out what I was getting into.
Civilians are able to call military bases just fine. They use normal 7 digit numbers plus area code just like every other facility with a phone in the US. You could also use the phones at your Guard unit and call via DSN which is just a military phone network that doesn’t need an area code(more on your Guard unit later). Either way you get the same person on the same phone. You can go on line in 7 seconds (I just did it) and get the main phone number to the base. I don’t know where you’re going to UPT but Laughlin AFB in TX is a possibility – here’s the main number to that base: (830)298-3511. This will ring the base operator who will connect you with whoever you want to talk to.
Or you can call directly to any office if you have their phone number. Here’s a quick reference list that took me about 90 seconds to find.
http://www.laughlin.af.mil/shared/me...081107-038.pdf
Guess what I googled………..I know this is going to be tough to follow: Laughlin AFB phone book. That took me to the Laughlin AFB website and I searched for “phone book”. Still with me?
I’m doing this from home – not some special military computer because I retired last year from the Guard. You’ll note two significant numbers on the reference list, Military Personnel Flight (MPF) and Finance. Either one of those numbers will put you in touch with people who would be able to direct you to the mil pay specialists. So, no need to jump any fences and get jacked up by the SPs. The people that answer those phones will be USAF members who speak English and won’t even know you’re a civilian unless you tell them. I’d recommend speaking politely to them (avoid calling them names), explain who you are, what you’d like to find out and I’ll bet you’ll get the answer you’d like.
I’m starting to wonder about where your Guard unit is in all this, too. Somehow you were able to get in touch with someone there, get interviewed and offered a pilot slot. Since most Guard units only hire a few lucky UPT candidates off the street each year, I’m guessing they’d be willing to bend over backwards to help out any new arrival to their “family”. Any chance you might still have a phone number for someone at the unit you claim to be joining. Maybe they might be able to help you with your “research”. Every Guard unit I have ever had contact with had mil pay offices (with phones too
) and lots of smart people working there who have been around the USAF block a few times and know their stuff. Any particular reason why you’re choosing to ignore that resource while you “research” the particulars of the job you apparently already accepted without knowing much about it?Some free advice from someone who was in your shoes 23 years ago. One, expand your list of resources to find the answers you’re looking for. Computers are nice but the military (especially the Guard) has a much better resource in its people. You’ll single yourself out quickly one way or the other depending on how willing you are to go the extra mile and get the job done, big or small. Leave the excuses at the door and bring results. And two, resist the urge to lash out and call anyone who displeases you a “dick”. They may use sarcasm or mild ridicule to enforce the point that you’re being stupid. I’d hazard a guess that some of your UPT instructors may resort to that, depending on how stupid your trying to be. You won’t be the first 2Lt to receive this treatment and it won’t kill you. It might even motivate you to not be stupid in the same way again.
Good luck in your training.
Adle i probably came on a little to strong with my first post response to you, sorry about that. I repsond to these posts very early in the morning when I have a little bit of down time at work. I am not always in the best mind set at 5am after about 4 hours of sleep and dont really read into the context very deeply when I read the response posts.
I guess I should get used to this because Phase I of AMS is going to be pretty much like my work schedule now, not alot of sleep, alot of stress and alot of loud people.
Thanks for the info that you posted.
07-30-2010 | 10:07 AM
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Another thing is that since you are married and you are in the guard, you might be eligible to receive BAH (tax free) for your duty location in Alaska even if you live on base, but I think the stipulation is that your spouse/ family has to spend a majority of the time away from you and you may have to own a house but I would ask the finance office. It is some kind oF BAH waiver form.
One thing that surprises me thig isthat you said that you had some a-hole civey instructors... I would never had put up with that as a paying customer and the first a-hole moment I would have told the instructor that we are turning around and the lesson is over. But I guess all situations are different. Just my $0.02
One thing that surprises me thig isthat you said that you had some a-hole civey instructors... I would never had put up with that as a paying customer and the first a-hole moment I would have told the instructor that we are turning around and the lesson is over. But I guess all situations are different. Just my $0.02
Who cares? Let's bust some balls!
08-01-2010 | 07:19 AM
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Mustang,
Couple things, all that went on here was some good old hazing. So let's review: Not one of your IPs will be required to earn your respect, give it regardless, your "career" and "flight training" have not begun so you have not even started your journey let alone come "too far", and friend, in the Air Force, you are not a soldier-plus as a 2Lt no one is below you in rank not even enlisted, you are such a boot at that stage that your voice will be regarded as little more than a cricket. But have fun Forrest(yep 2 Rs, can't even get that right). One last thing, sit down and learn the difference between your and you're.
Couple things, all that went on here was some good old hazing. So let's review: Not one of your IPs will be required to earn your respect, give it regardless, your "career" and "flight training" have not begun so you have not even started your journey let alone come "too far", and friend, in the Air Force, you are not a soldier-plus as a 2Lt no one is below you in rank not even enlisted, you are such a boot at that stage that your voice will be regarded as little more than a cricket. But have fun Forrest(yep 2 Rs, can't even get that right). One last thing, sit down and learn the difference between your and you're.
08-01-2010 | 11:39 AM
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Adle i probably came on a little to strong with my first post response to you, sorry about that. I repsond to these posts very early in the morning when I have a little bit of down time at work. I am not always in the best mind set at 5am after about 4 hours of sleep and dont really read into the context very deeply when I read the response posts.
I guess I should get used to this because Phase I of AMS is going to be pretty much like my work schedule now, not alot of sleep, alot of stress and alot of loud people.
Thanks for the info that you posted.
I guess I should get used to this because Phase I of AMS is going to be pretty much like my work schedule now, not alot of sleep, alot of stress and alot of loud people.
Thanks for the info that you posted.
Like arj said, your career hasn't even started yet; think of your slot as a job training offer. AMS might seem pretty silly but there are people who wash out; often for not being able to take little jabs like those that were being directed towards you.
No, we don't know you. But if sarcastic comments make you cranky when you've had a long day and you're tired in the morning, AMS/IFS/UPT/the rest of your actual career in the military will be pretty miserable. Just my 2 centavos.
08-01-2010 | 04:51 PM
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Oh my. I’d recommend beefing up your thin skin a little more before you embark on this journey of yours.
I think what some of the other “old heads” and I are trying to point out to you is that you appear to be ignoring some of the more traditional methods of “research”. It’s never going to be an acceptable excuse in your military career to claim that you don’t know something because it wasn’t “explained to you”. That implies that you are waiting for the actions of another. Take some responsibility for your own “education” and go find out – don’t wait for someone to do it for you.
So, back to the “research”:
If I had made the choice to pursue a military career in the ANG as a C-130 pilot, I guess I would have included “research” into things like pay and benefits in my PREPARATION for such a choice. I would not have committed to the position and then jumped on an internet forum to try to figure out what I was getting into.
Civilians are able to call military bases just fine. They use normal 7 digit numbers plus area code just like every other facility with a phone in the US. You could also use the phones at your Guard unit and call via DSN which is just a military phone network that doesn’t need an area code(more on your Guard unit later). Either way you get the same person on the same phone. You can go on line in 7 seconds (I just did it) and get the main phone number to the base. I don’t know where you’re going to UPT but Laughlin AFB in TX is a possibility – here’s the main number to that base: (830)298-3511. This will ring the base operator who will connect you with whoever you want to talk to.
Or you can call directly to any office if you have their phone number. Here’s a quick reference list that took me about 90 seconds to find.
http://www.laughlin.af.mil/shared/me...081107-038.pdf
Guess what I googled………..I know this is going to be tough to follow: Laughlin AFB phone book. That took me to the Laughlin AFB website and I searched for “phone book”. Still with me?
I’m doing this from home – not some special military computer because I retired last year from the Guard. You’ll note two significant numbers on the reference list, Military Personnel Flight (MPF) and Finance. Either one of those numbers will put you in touch with people who would be able to direct you to the mil pay specialists. So, no need to jump any fences and get jacked up by the SPs. The people that answer those phones will be USAF members who speak English and won’t even know you’re a civilian unless you tell them. I’d recommend speaking politely to them (avoid calling them names), explain who you are, what you’d like to find out and I’ll bet you’ll get the answer you’d like.
I’m starting to wonder about where your Guard unit is in all this, too. Somehow you were able to get in touch with someone there, get interviewed and offered a pilot slot. Since most Guard units only hire a few lucky UPT candidates off the street each year, I’m guessing they’d be willing to bend over backwards to help out any new arrival to their “family”. Any chance you might still have a phone number for someone at the unit you claim to be joining. Maybe they might be able to help you with your “research”. Every Guard unit I have ever had contact with had mil pay offices (with phones too) and lots of smart people working there who have been around the USAF block a few times and know their stuff. Any particular reason why you’re choosing to ignore that resource while you “research” the particulars of the job you apparently already accepted without knowing much about it?
Some free advice from someone who was in your shoes 23 years ago. One, expand your list of resources to find the answers you’re looking for. Computers are nice but the military (especially the Guard) has a much better resource in its people. You’ll single yourself out quickly one way or the other depending on how willing you are to go the extra mile and get the job done, big or small. Leave the excuses at the door and bring results. And two, resist the urge to lash out and call anyone who displeases you a “dick”. They may use sarcasm or mild ridicule to enforce the point that you’re being stupid. I’d hazard a guess that some of your UPT instructors may resort to that, depending on how stupid your trying to be. You won’t be the first 2Lt to receive this treatment and it won’t kill you. It might even motivate you to not be stupid in the same way again.
Good luck in your training.
I think what some of the other “old heads” and I are trying to point out to you is that you appear to be ignoring some of the more traditional methods of “research”. It’s never going to be an acceptable excuse in your military career to claim that you don’t know something because it wasn’t “explained to you”. That implies that you are waiting for the actions of another. Take some responsibility for your own “education” and go find out – don’t wait for someone to do it for you.
So, back to the “research”:
If I had made the choice to pursue a military career in the ANG as a C-130 pilot, I guess I would have included “research” into things like pay and benefits in my PREPARATION for such a choice. I would not have committed to the position and then jumped on an internet forum to try to figure out what I was getting into.
Civilians are able to call military bases just fine. They use normal 7 digit numbers plus area code just like every other facility with a phone in the US. You could also use the phones at your Guard unit and call via DSN which is just a military phone network that doesn’t need an area code(more on your Guard unit later). Either way you get the same person on the same phone. You can go on line in 7 seconds (I just did it) and get the main phone number to the base. I don’t know where you’re going to UPT but Laughlin AFB in TX is a possibility – here’s the main number to that base: (830)298-3511. This will ring the base operator who will connect you with whoever you want to talk to.
Or you can call directly to any office if you have their phone number. Here’s a quick reference list that took me about 90 seconds to find.
http://www.laughlin.af.mil/shared/me...081107-038.pdf
Guess what I googled………..I know this is going to be tough to follow: Laughlin AFB phone book. That took me to the Laughlin AFB website and I searched for “phone book”. Still with me?
I’m doing this from home – not some special military computer because I retired last year from the Guard. You’ll note two significant numbers on the reference list, Military Personnel Flight (MPF) and Finance. Either one of those numbers will put you in touch with people who would be able to direct you to the mil pay specialists. So, no need to jump any fences and get jacked up by the SPs. The people that answer those phones will be USAF members who speak English and won’t even know you’re a civilian unless you tell them. I’d recommend speaking politely to them (avoid calling them names), explain who you are, what you’d like to find out and I’ll bet you’ll get the answer you’d like.
I’m starting to wonder about where your Guard unit is in all this, too. Somehow you were able to get in touch with someone there, get interviewed and offered a pilot slot. Since most Guard units only hire a few lucky UPT candidates off the street each year, I’m guessing they’d be willing to bend over backwards to help out any new arrival to their “family”. Any chance you might still have a phone number for someone at the unit you claim to be joining. Maybe they might be able to help you with your “research”. Every Guard unit I have ever had contact with had mil pay offices (with phones too
) and lots of smart people working there who have been around the USAF block a few times and know their stuff. Any particular reason why you’re choosing to ignore that resource while you “research” the particulars of the job you apparently already accepted without knowing much about it?Some free advice from someone who was in your shoes 23 years ago. One, expand your list of resources to find the answers you’re looking for. Computers are nice but the military (especially the Guard) has a much better resource in its people. You’ll single yourself out quickly one way or the other depending on how willing you are to go the extra mile and get the job done, big or small. Leave the excuses at the door and bring results. And two, resist the urge to lash out and call anyone who displeases you a “dick”. They may use sarcasm or mild ridicule to enforce the point that you’re being stupid. I’d hazard a guess that some of your UPT instructors may resort to that, depending on how stupid your trying to be. You won’t be the first 2Lt to receive this treatment and it won’t kill you. It might even motivate you to not be stupid in the same way again.
Good luck in your training.
What's the difference? It's more noble to talk to some faceless UPT student on the phone over a DSN line than it is to talk to some faceless UPT student on this message board?
On the 6th post on this board, a (what I would assume to be) UPT student answered his question. Then 42 more (at my last count) posts telling him that he was lazy and he should have called a UPT student to get the same answer that he got here 2 hours after he posted. You're right, he should have spent the same two hours trying to figure out how to call Laughlin, get a student flight phone number and pry some T-6 stud from studying his boldface to answer "Hey... you don't know me, but how much money do you make?"
Work smarter... not harder is my motto...
08-01-2010 | 05:55 PM
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So, you want him to go through all this to basically do the same thing that he did on here... ask a question?
What's the difference? It's more noble to talk to some faceless UPT student on the phone over a DSN line than it is to talk to some faceless UPT student on this message board?
On the 6th post on this board, a (what I would assume to be) UPT student answered his question. Then 42 more (at my last count) posts telling him that he was lazy and he should have called a UPT student to get the same answer that he got here 2 hours after he posted. You're right, he should have spent the same two hours trying to figure out how to call Laughlin, get a student flight phone number and pry some T-6 stud from studying his boldface to answer "Hey... you don't know me, but how much money do you make?"
Work smarter... not harder is my motto...
What's the difference? It's more noble to talk to some faceless UPT student on the phone over a DSN line than it is to talk to some faceless UPT student on this message board?
On the 6th post on this board, a (what I would assume to be) UPT student answered his question. Then 42 more (at my last count) posts telling him that he was lazy and he should have called a UPT student to get the same answer that he got here 2 hours after he posted. You're right, he should have spent the same two hours trying to figure out how to call Laughlin, get a student flight phone number and pry some T-6 stud from studying his boldface to answer "Hey... you don't know me, but how much money do you make?"
Work smarter... not harder is my motto...
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