Fighter Pilot vs. Heavy Pilot
03-14-2007, 07:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Hacker15e
That's pretty funny, considering they're basically the same size and weight.
Strike Eagle guys who used to fly Rhinos call it the "Phantom III" because of the many similarities.
Strike Eagle guys who used to fly Rhinos call it the "Phantom III" because of the many similarities.
Same for comparing an A2G F-4 capability to a F-15E. I'd call it similar roles...but I'd stop there. For obvious reasons.
03-14-2007, 12:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Hacker15e
That's pretty funny, considering they're basically the same size and weight.
Strike Eagle guys who used to fly Rhinos call it the "Phantom III" because of the many similarities.
Strike Eagle guys who used to fly Rhinos call it the "Phantom III" because of the many similarities.
38ft vs 43ft wingspan. Both around 50k lbs loaded? Does that sound right?
03-15-2007, 08:27 AM
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Originally Posted by 1Seat 1Engine
From my vantage point, I find it humorous to watch an F-4 and F-15 guy argue about who's airplane is too big.
38ft vs 43ft wingspan. Both around 50k lbs loaded? Does that sound right?
38ft vs 43ft wingspan. Both around 50k lbs loaded? Does that sound right?
But that isn't the point. Back when the 15 first started flying DACT, it was a common opinion that the jet was easily seen, particularly when turning...hence my comment about pure pursuit tactics.
03-15-2007, 09:54 AM
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Originally Posted by ExAF
Of course the F-4 was tough to see with the long black twin pointers leading right to the can unless the burners were lit.
Sarcasm off.
Sarcasm off.
03-15-2007, 04:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Buzz
You must have had 6 to 9 beers before you wrote that. 
There are several T-1 IPs here at CBM that went through UPT (yes, they are old). I've asked, and every one of them told me that UPT built better pilots. They also said the reason the B-1s and B-52 assignments no longer come from the T-1 side of the house is because the B-1 and B-52 communities were unhappy with the T-1 "product." OOPS.
There are several T-1 IPs here at CBM that went through UPT (yes, they are old). I've asked, and every one of them told me that UPT built better pilots. They also said the reason the B-1s and B-52 assignments no longer come from the T-1 side of the house is because the B-1 and B-52 communities were unhappy with the T-1 "product." OOPS.There are good pilots out there that came from T44s and there are guys who mysteriously made it through T38s..but overall I don't think the AF is happy with the T44 "product"
03-16-2007, 06:37 AM
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Navy Burner
Originally Posted by RedeyeAV8r
One in burner and one @ idle 20 NM prior to the merge. Of course when we got the F-4J/S it was no longer a problem.
03-21-2007, 07:57 PM
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Originally Posted by ExAF
Yeah, we did "Navy Burner" too. You still had to "do something" to cut the smoke trail. I preferred min burner in both engines (gas permitting). More energy/mach and no problems with spool up/getting a light on the other burner at the merge. I defintely agree the later model "smokeless engines" were one of the best improvements ever made to the old Rhino. Even without the smoke, the Rhino was not that hard to see unless nose on.
03-21-2007, 09:21 PM
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Like I said, listening to Eagle guys and Phantom guys argue about who's airplane is too big makes me laugh. I always think about these pictures:
I'm the supporting Viper pitching in from 4 miles away while my wingman is turning with an Eagle. If I didn't know that my wingman was there I would have thought I was rolling in on a lone Eagle doing an AHC ride.
or
Back when Spang had mixed Viper/Weasel elements, I can't tell you how many times we rolled up behind the Weasel...and were killed by his invisible Viper wingman. I always hated merging with a grey F-4 that DIDN'T smoke (by 1990, only German F-4's smoked), because that usually meant there was an untargeted Viper winman close by.
I'm the supporting Viper pitching in from 4 miles away while my wingman is turning with an Eagle. If I didn't know that my wingman was there I would have thought I was rolling in on a lone Eagle doing an AHC ride.
or
Back when Spang had mixed Viper/Weasel elements, I can't tell you how many times we rolled up behind the Weasel...and were killed by his invisible Viper wingman. I always hated merging with a grey F-4 that DIDN'T smoke (by 1990, only German F-4's smoked), because that usually meant there was an untargeted Viper winman close by.
03-22-2007, 12:17 PM
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Proud Phantom Driver
Originally Posted by RedeyeAV8r
But she still was a hell of aircraft..........Phantom Phan 4 life
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