Pilots Palace Chase???
12-31-2011, 06:42 AM
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i would not count on a pilot (with an ADSC) to "voluntarily" depart in the next few years... the AF will "non-vol" pilots as they cannot protect a specific AFSC during RIFs. AF is still expected to be short pilots over the next 10 years... problem is most in heavies and not enough in RPA/Fighters.
01-01-2012, 09:20 AM
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Originally Posted by ugleeual
i would not count on a pilot (with an ADSC) to "voluntarily" depart in the next few years... the AF will "non-vol" pilots as they cannot protect a specific AFSC during RIFs. AF is still expected to be short pilots over the next 10 years... problem is most in heavies and not enough in RPA/Fighters.
I know more pilots with and without ADSC who will stay as long as they can.
Horses for courses.
I think they can protect AFSC during a RIF - it's called "needs of the Air Force", but I don't think they will. I know they can target AFSCs as well.
My MAJCOM A1 staff recently (Oct) briefed we're 300+ pilots short and have no possible way to get healthy - can't make more, train more, or retain more. They know of the coming hiring boom (or at least all the news that reports/supports the concept) and they can't do anything about it. They know it's going to be worse than the late '90s...especially after a decade of deployments, 179s, 365s, and other "good deals" - despite my MAJCOM historically having one of the highest bonus take rates. And they will mis-manage it just as badly as they do everyvtime because they are reactionary instead of proactive...and they have to be, unfortunately.
Every change, however, is a possibility or opportunity. If someone wants out, with or without an ADSC, when they're reducing, force shaping, or whatever - that's as good a time as any.
01-01-2012, 10:26 AM
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Sq/CC's, Wg/CC's, functionals and even the Palace Chase folks can only concur or non-concur w/ a Palace Chase request....period!
The SAF (Sec of the AF) is the ONLY approving/dis-approving authority...period!
Concurrence from all parties us a good thing though and you really want that "letter of intent" to hire from the ANG/Res unit.
Right now, currently....SAF has been approving them....even w/ leadership/functional non-concurrence.
FWIW. I'm good buds w/ most functionals/rated staff dudes and have been working close w/ the the PC guru on my future. I'm going on a 2-day hunt w/ most of them 6-8 Jan.
Also, a B-52 guy w/ 1.5 yr UPT ADSC remaining, that works for me, just got his PC approved.
The SAF (Sec of the AF) is the ONLY approving/dis-approving authority...period!
Concurrence from all parties us a good thing though and you really want that "letter of intent" to hire from the ANG/Res unit.
Right now, currently....SAF has been approving them....even w/ leadership/functional non-concurrence.
FWIW. I'm good buds w/ most functionals/rated staff dudes and have been working close w/ the the PC guru on my future. I'm going on a 2-day hunt w/ most of them 6-8 Jan.
Also, a B-52 guy w/ 1.5 yr UPT ADSC remaining, that works for me, just got his PC approved.
01-01-2012, 10:29 AM
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Anyone know how strict they hold you to the 4-yr commitment for transferring post 9/11 education benefits? I may have a great opportunity with a reserve unit, but have 2 years remaining on said post 9/11 commitment. I'm complete with my UPT commitment fwiw.
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01-01-2012, 03:19 PM
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Originally Posted by OccupyRestSeat
Look, I'm no blue kool-aid guy. In fact, I jumped when I was able to separate from AD slightly prior to my ADSC via a certain program. But how can you blame the AF if a guy didn't go in with his eyes wide open? Seven years left?
Of course AD sucks. So does the real world. But it's not like he signed up before 9/11 and then got dumped on. Even if he did (like me and I suspect you)...taking a knee after 3 years?
Absolutely unacceptable.
Of course AD sucks. So does the real world. But it's not like he signed up before 9/11 and then got dumped on. Even if he did (like me and I suspect you)...taking a knee after 3 years?
Absolutely unacceptable.
Tell that to the first dudes that dropped UAVs out of pilot training (I was there for that fiasco)! When we showed up to training there was no talk of UAVs going to studs out of UPT. Then about 3 weeks prior to our drop we are told to expect 5 UAVs out of 15 assignable studs! It the same speech we were told that if you go to the UAV, you will most likely not ever leave the UAV...and OBTW, the commitment is still 10 years... There is so some good news...there are now two bases you can go to! Two garden spots...Creech or Cannon!
01-01-2012, 03:29 PM
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Transfer of 9/11 benefits will work if you get an AGR gig... afraid you will lose it if you go traditional... read the contract you signed. AF will waive the ADSC associated... but you lose the benefit and you have to repay if you have already tapped into it.
01-02-2012, 10:07 PM
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01-04-2012, 05:03 PM
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Originally Posted by crewdawg
Totally missed this post earlier.
Tell that to the first dudes that dropped UAVs out of pilot training (I was there for that fiasco)! When we showed up to training there was no talk of UAVs going to studs out of UPT. Then about 3 weeks prior to our drop we are told to expect 5 UAVs out of 15 assignable studs! It the same speech we were told that if you go to the UAV, you will most likely not ever leave the UAV...and OBTW, the commitment is still 10 years... There is so some good news...there are now two bases you can go to! Two garden spots...Creech or Cannon!
Tell that to the first dudes that dropped UAVs out of pilot training (I was there for that fiasco)! When we showed up to training there was no talk of UAVs going to studs out of UPT. Then about 3 weeks prior to our drop we are told to expect 5 UAVs out of 15 assignable studs! It the same speech we were told that if you go to the UAV, you will most likely not ever leave the UAV...and OBTW, the commitment is still 10 years... There is so some good news...there are now two bases you can go to! Two garden spots...Creech or Cannon!
Those guys weren't expecting what they got, and neither were my buds and I. But I signed on the dotted line, and I honored my commitment--which, by the way, was to serve my country, and not myself. If those UAV-assigned guys were that averse, they could have SIE'd and taken their chances. Apparently they decided not to do that.
Sure, it sucked. Leadership generally sucked, especially on the O-5/6 and above level. Deployments sucked, my airframe sucked, pretty much everything other than my buds sucked.
But I signed on the dotted line, and I was not entitled to anything more from the AF than my paycheck and associated benefits.
This ridiculous sense of entitlement must be a generational thing. Enough already.
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