Huh? What? REALLY???
02-21-2012 | 05:15 PM
#51
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I know of an AF pilot who caused the deaths of 3 paratroopers on an airdrop mission and He's climbed up the ladder quite well. He laid low for quite some time, didn't fly, but later got into a unit that flew as a ground officer. Someone saw his wings on his fatigues and offered him a slot, and over time worked his way up to a Wing CC
02-21-2012 | 06:53 PM
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If there's one thing that Fogleman had right, it was that AF OPRs DO NOT accurately reflect actual performance. He picked the wrong incident to pursue that with, but the idea was correct. Anyone who's tried to write (notice I said "tried" because few stay that way) a referral OPR for other than DUI or failed fitness test (i.e. pure poor performance) will attest to that.
I will bet that the Wing CC above's OPR had no mention of said incident.
I will bet that the Wing CC above's OPR had no mention of said incident.
02-21-2012 | 07:17 PM
#53
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In truth, the O-7 promotion board would not even be looking that far back. They would be interested in his performance as an O-5 and O-6.
Also if he was still a line officer there would be at least one and probably several aviators on the board. That might not be a requirement for intel though, so my bet would be that nobody in the room was aware of this incident.
It makes more sense to ask why this guy was allowed to stay in the service in any capacity, and why he made O-4. But even that might not be unreasonable...he screwed up big-time, paid a price, and transferred to the staff corps where he doesn't get to touch the hardware. I would have been inclined to at least give the guy a chance as a JO in the reserves.
But the senate can still CANX his promotion, and somebody like McCain might just arrange that...
Also if he was still a line officer there would be at least one and probably several aviators on the board. That might not be a requirement for intel though, so my bet would be that nobody in the room was aware of this incident.
It makes more sense to ask why this guy was allowed to stay in the service in any capacity, and why he made O-4. But even that might not be unreasonable...he screwed up big-time, paid a price, and transferred to the staff corps where he doesn't get to touch the hardware. I would have been inclined to at least give the guy a chance as a JO in the reserves.
But the senate can still CANX his promotion, and somebody like McCain might just arrange that...
He probably thinks the guy got a bum deal.
02-21-2012 | 07:31 PM
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He certainly knows how to survive crashes.
http://factcheck.org/2008/09/mccains-plane-crashes/
02-21-2012 | 07:40 PM
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I will start with Explosive Ordnance Disposal Technician Senior Chief Petty Officer Kraig Vickers (www.kraigvickers.com). He lived around the corner from me...each time I walk my kids around the block and see his wife and kids I want to trade places with him.
Rickair I don't say this to poke back at you, but the idea that our nation is honoring a congresswoman by naming a war ship after her is a slap in the face to heros like Kraig and those who have gone before and after him. IMHO it is ludicrous!
Rickair I don't say this to poke back at you, but the idea that our nation is honoring a congresswoman by naming a war ship after her is a slap in the face to heros like Kraig and those who have gone before and after him. IMHO it is ludicrous!
Fully agree with you. But the politicians think they're God's gift to mankind and treat themselves as such. IMO there should be more buildings and airports named for scientists and doctors.
Robert Byrd had so many things named after him his ego allowed him to let his wife have a few:
- Robert C. Byrd Academic and Technology Center, Marshall University in Huntington, West Virginia
- Robert C. Byrd Academic and Technology Center, Marshall University Graduate College in South Charleston, West Virginia
- Robert C. Byrd Auditorium, National Conservation Training Center in Shepherdstown, West Virginia
- Robert C. Byrd Biotechnology Science Center, Marshall University in Huntington, West Virginia
- Robert C. Byrd Cancer Research Laboratory, West Virginia University in Morgantown, West Virginia
- Robert C. Byrd Center for Legislative Studies, Shepherd University in Shepherdstown, West Virginia
- Robert C. Byrd Center for Pharmacy Education, University of Charleston in Charleston, West Virginia
- Robert C. Byrd Center for Rural Health, Marshall University in Huntington, West Virginia
- Robert C. Byrd Clinical Teaching Center, Charleston Area Medical Center Memorial Hospital in Charleston, West Virginia
- Robert C. Byrd Green Bank Telescope, Green Bank, West Virginia
- Robert C. Byrd Hardwood Technologies Center, Princeton, West Virginia
- Robert C. Byrd Health and Wellness Center, Bethany College in Bethany, West Virginia
- Robert C. Byrd Health Sciences Center, West Virginia University in Morgantown, West Virginia
- Robert C. Byrd Health Sciences Center Charleston Division, Charleston, West Virginia
- Robert C. Byrd High School, Clarksburg, West Virginia
- Robert C. Byrd Institute for Advanced Flexible Manufacturing (RCBI) Bridgeport Manufacturing Technology Center, Bridgeport, West Virginia
- RCBI Charleston Manufacturing Technology Center, South Charleston, West Virginia
- RCBI Huntington Manufacturing Technology Center, Huntington, West Virginia
- RCBI Rocket Center Manufacturing Technology Center, Rocket Center, West Virginia
- Robert C. Byrd Institute for Composites Technology and Training Center, Bridgeport, West Virginia
- Robert C. Byrd Library, Wheeling, West Virginia
- Robert C. Byrd Library and Robert C. Byrd Learning Resource Center, Mountain State University in Beckley
- Robert C. Byrd Life Long Learning Center, Eastern West Virginia Community and Technical College in Moorefield, West Virginia
- Robert C. Byrd Life Long Learning Center, West Virginia University in Morgantown, West Virginia
- Robert C. Byrd Metals Fabrication Center, Rocket Center, West Virginia
- Robert C. Byrd National Aerospace Education Center, Bridgeport, West Virginia (affiliated with Fairmont State University)
- Robert C. Byrd National Technology Transfer Center, Wheeling Jesuit University in Wheeling, West Virginia
- Robert C. Byrd Regional Training Institute, Camp Dawson near Kingwood, West Virginia
- Robert C. Byrd Science and Technology Center, Shepherd University in Shepherdstown, West Virginia
- Robert C. Byrd Technology Center, Alderson–Broaddus College in Philippi, West Virginia
- Robert C. Byrd United Technical Center
- Robert C. Byrd Hilltop Office Complex, Rocket Center, West Virginia
- Robert C. Byrd Industrial Park, Moorefield, West Virginia
- Robert C. Byrd Community Center, Pine Grove, West Virginia
- Robert C. Byrd Community Center, Sugar Grove, West Virginia
- Robert C. Byrd Rooms, Office of the West Virginia Senate Minority Leader, West Virginia State Capitol in Charleston, West Virginia
- Robert C. Byrd United States Courthouse and Federal Building, Beckley, West Virginia
- Robert C. Byrd United States Courthouse and Federal Building, Charleston, West Virginia
- Robert C. Byrd Federal Correctional Institution, Hazelton, West Virginia
- Robert C. Byrd Clinic, West Virginia School of Osteopathic Medicine in Lewisburg, West Virginia
- Robert C. Byrd Clinical Addition to Veteran's Hospital, Huntington, West Virginia
- Robert C. Byrd Addition to the Lodge at Oglebay Park, Wheeling, West Virginia
- Robert C. Byrd Conference Center (also known as the Robert C. Byrd Center for Hospitality and Tourism), Davis & Elkins College in Elkins, West Virginia
- Robert C. Byrd Visitor Center, Harpers Ferry National Historical Park in Harpers Ferry, West Virginia
Robert C. Byrd Appalachian Highway System, Appalachian Development Highway System in West Virginia
Robert C. Byrd Bridge, crosses the Ohio River between Huntington, West Virginia and Chesapeake, Ohio
Robert C. Byrd Bridge, Ohio County, West Virginia
Robert C. Byrd Drive, West Virginia Routes 16 and 97 between Beckley and Sophia, West Virginia
Robert C. Byrd Expressway, United States Route 22 near Weirton, West Virginia
Robert C. Byrd Freeway, United States Route 119 between Williamson and Charleston, West Virginia (also known as Corridor L)
Robert C. Byrd Highway, United States Route 48 between Weston, West Virginia and the Virginia state line near Wardensville, West Virginia (also known as Corridor H)
Robert C. Byrd Interchange on Interstate 77
Robert C. Byrd Interchange on United States Route 19, Birch River, West Virginia
Robert C. Byrd Intermodal Transportation Center, Wheeling, West Virginia
Robert C. Byrd Locks and Dam, Ohio River in Gallipolis Ferry, West Virginia
Erma Byrd Biomedical Research Center, West Virginia University in Morgantown, West Virginia
Erma Ora Byrd Center for Educational Technologies, Wheeling Jesuit University in Wheeling, West Virginia
Erma Ora Byrd Clinical Center, Marshall University School of Medicine in Huntington, West Virginia
Erma Ora Byrd Conference and Learning Center, Rocket Center, West Virginia
Erma Byrd Eastern Panhandle Health Professions Center, Martinsburg, West Virginia
Erma Byrd Gallery, University of Charleston in Charleston, West Virginia
Erma Byrd Garden, Graceland Mansion in Elkins, West Virginia
Erma Ora Byrd Hall, Department of Nursing Education, Shepherd University in Shepherdstown, West Virginia
Erma Byrd Higher Education Center, Concord University Beckley Campus in Beaver, West Virginia
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