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02-20-2012 | 09:55 AM

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larryiah

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That's a pretty weak missile. If that's all it can do, the contract should be cancelled and the U.S. govt. should sue the manufacturer. As taxpayers, we should be demanding more bang for our buck.

02-20-2012 | 12:17 PM

#42

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Originally Posted by larryiah

That's a pretty weak missile. If that's all it can do, the contract should be cancelled and the U.S. govt. should sue the manufacturer. As taxpayers, we should be demanding more bang for our buck.

I'd be worried if there was a contract for AIM-9Ps currently.

02-20-2012 | 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by larryiah

That's a pretty weak missile...

Or maybe the Eagle is pretty robust.
I'll vote for the latter.

What ever happened to the Lt that did this? IIRC, it was his SQ/CC that he shot. HA!!... the irony.

02-20-2012 | 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by nwaf16dude

I think there is little doubt this idiot would have been run out of the Navy if his father wasn't an admiral.

Daddy being an admiral didn't hurt, but it wasn't necessarily the thing that saved his career (and it didn't save his flying career). I can think of two other guys I knew who had incidents about as colorful as "Smoke" Dorsey and went on to not only keep their wings, but have good careers. One of them was actually on the fast track and received command early. I don't think either one of them had family in the Navy hierarchy. The incidents with all three pilots were in the 80s when the mood and tolerance level in the Navy was fairly consistent (IOW, there wasn't a witch hunt mentality). Sometimes, circumstances and luck just break your way.

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Of course, I've heard the same thing about John McCain, based on his pre-vietnam antics.

Which is why, assuming he has some sense, he'd be the last one to raise a stink over this.

02-20-2012 | 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by HuggyU2

Or maybe the Eagle is pretty robust.
I'll vote for the latter.

Also a good argument for having the heat source away from the center of mass like it was in the A-6 and is in the AV8B.

02-21-2012 | 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by larryiah

That's a pretty weak missile. If that's all it can do, the contract should be cancelled and the U.S. govt. should sue the manufacturer. As taxpayers, we should be demanding more bang for our buck.

Mission kill, what more do you want? So the pilot made it home...you can no longer make planes faster than you can make pilots.

02-21-2012 | 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Ferd149

What's the problem with the Gabby Giffords?

She was shot while in service to her country. Plus, she is a military spouse shot while in service to her country.

I have no problem with this.

Ferd, USAF, ret

Yeah, it was legit service to her country and the shooting was service connected (not a random mugging, boyfriend's wife, etc).

From what I know about her, she was know for doing those town hall meetings, and on the politician-statesman scale she was probably closer to statesman.

I wouldn't have named a ship after her myself, but it's not totally ludicrous.

02-21-2012 | 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by rickair7777

I'm sure the families of 30 of our nations finest who were lost on August 6th, 2011 might disagree with you Rickair...just sayin'.

02-21-2012 | 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by BDGERJMN

I'm sure the families of 30 of our nations finest who were lost on August 6th, 2011 might disagree with you Rickair...just sayin'.

To name a few of those 30:

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The deaths included:
22 U.S. Navy SOF personnel 20 of whom were from the Naval Special Warfare Development Group's (formerly known as SEAL Team Six) Gold Squadron.
5 U.S. crew members from the 7th Battalion, 158th Aviation Regiment and 2nd Battalion, 135th Aviation Regiment.
1 U.S. special operations Air Force Combat Controller from the 24th Special Tactics Squadron.
2 U.S. special operations Air Force Pararescuemen from the 24th Special Tactics Squadron.
7 Afghan National Army special operations soldiers.
1 Afghan civilian interpreter.
1 U.S. military working dog
The 30 American deaths represent the greatest loss of U.S. military lives in a single incident in the decade-long war in Afghanistan that began in 2001

Yep - I bet there are some GREAT ship names in that bunch. Some of them might even have approached 'statesman' status at my kitchen table.

USMCFLYR

02-21-2012 | 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by USMCFLYR

To name a few of those 30:

Yep - I bet there are some GREAT ship names in that bunch. Some of them might even have approached 'statesman' status at my kitchen table.

USMCFLYR

I will start with Explosive Ordnance Disposal Technician Senior Chief Petty Officer Kraig Vickers (www.kraigvickers.com). He lived around the corner from me...each time I walk my kids around the block and see his wife and kids I want to trade places with him.

Rickair I don't say this to poke back at you, but the idea that our nation is honoring a congresswoman by naming a war ship after her is a slap in the face to heros like Kraig and those who have gone before and after him. IMHO it is ludicrous!