Huh? What? REALLY???
02-17-2012 | 03:37 PM
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It is true that someone can be pretty much booted from the ranks of active duty for terrible performance or an abusive personality only to go to the Reserves and march right up the chain. Most of the guys in the Reserves just want to show up and fly. If there is someone who wants to go the extra mile and do the crappy jobs that enable guys to just show up and fly then they can move up the chain. Plenty of turds can float to the top using this method.
02-17-2012 | 04:47 PM
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From: In favor of good things, not in favor of bad things
It is true that someone can be pretty much booted from the ranks of active duty for terrible performance or an abusive personality only to go to the Reserves and march right up the chain. Most of the guys in the Reserves just want to show up and fly. If there is someone who wants to go the extra mile and do the crappy jobs that enable guys to just show up and fly then they can move up the chain. Plenty of turds can float to the top using this method.
02-18-2012 | 05:03 AM
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In truth, the O-7 promotion board would not even be looking that far back. They would be interested in his performance as an O-5 and O-6.
Also if he was still a line officer there would be at least one and probably several aviators on the board. That might not be a requirement for intel though, so my bet would be that nobody in the room was aware of this incident.
It makes more sense to ask why this guy was allowed to stay in the service in any capacity, and why he made O-4. But even that might not be unreasonable...he screwed up big-time, paid a price, and transferred to the staff corps where he doesn't get to touch the hardware. I would have been inclined to at least give the guy a chance as a JO in the reserves.
But the senate can still CANX his promotion, and somebody like McCain might just arrange that...
Also if he was still a line officer there would be at least one and probably several aviators on the board. That might not be a requirement for intel though, so my bet would be that nobody in the room was aware of this incident.
It makes more sense to ask why this guy was allowed to stay in the service in any capacity, and why he made O-4. But even that might not be unreasonable...he screwed up big-time, paid a price, and transferred to the staff corps where he doesn't get to touch the hardware. I would have been inclined to at least give the guy a chance as a JO in the reserves.
But the senate can still CANX his promotion, and somebody like McCain might just arrange that...
02-18-2012 | 05:26 AM
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I'm not one to agree with the 'zero-defect' mentality, meaning I think one can recover. My problem with this particular promotion is the cherry picking of cases/people to take care of when plenty of great dudes (in both services) have been FNAEB'd or FFPB'd (add the USAF equiv here) and the message it sends.
I guess however, if we can name a United States war ship after Gabby Giffords, anything is possible with today's leadership!
I guess however, if we can name a United States war ship after Gabby Giffords, anything is possible with today's leadership!
02-18-2012 | 06:45 AM
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Really? I wasn't aware of that...wow. Personally, I think she should get all the accolades she's received, but others died that day and we don't know their names. But to name a ship after her? Good gravy.
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