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Old 02-24-2013, 12:19 PM
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I'm a military pilot prepping for the Mil to Airline transition but still have a few years until retirement. Obviously it would be best to be hired and go directly from active duty to an airline, but can it hurt to have an app in too early? In other words, is there any downside to putting in apps a year or year and a half out and list when I'll be available to start training?
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Old 02-24-2013, 01:13 PM
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The risk is that you could get called right away for an interview, get a job offer, then you're not available to start training. I don't know of any company that would wait a year to allow you to start training. It's also doubtful that they'd take a second look after what is effectively turning down an interview/job offer.

Anything is possible, but the prevailing wisdom is don't put the application in unless you're ready to go. I'd think 4-6 months would be reasonable to start the process if you had a month or two of terminal leave to hedge an immediate response. HR might wait 3-4 months, but over a year? I've never seen it.
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Old 02-24-2013, 03:07 PM
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I will retire in Oct and just interviewed with republic. I was "hired" but I told them I couldn't start until July. They said the interview is good for 6 months....I would think that if your retiring in a couple of years the hiring process will be dramatically different given the pilot retirement rate and new rule requiring an ATP Cert (1500 hours) starting in August. You will be in a good position to "pick" the company you want to work for...good luck and keep flying currency is important and its way expensive to pay for your own flight hours...
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Old 02-24-2013, 03:53 PM
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Gazoo, congrats on getting hired! Not too easy these days. I think many folks are hoping for a "dramatically different" hiring world in a few years. Fortunately my current assignment will keep me flying right up until retirement, so currency won't be an issue. It'll also give me time to get my ATP before I start applying.

That being said, do the airlines care when you get ratings? Does it make a difference if I "just got" my ATP vs. "had it for two years"?
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That being said, do the airlines care when you get ratings? Does it make a difference if I "just got" my ATP vs. "had it for two years"?
Nope, it's a check of a container.


FWIW, here is a pretty decent writeup I found on flightinfo. It was written by a retired light grey driver (albief15...he's on quite a few aviation forums), that does interview prep. I know a few guys who have used his prep and they all have nothing but good things (and jobs) to say about the prep.

I've helped hundreds of military pilots make the transition to the exits over the last eight years, and thought I'd share my 2 cents on some suggestions. Watching quite a few military aviators make some (what I consider) mistakes I decided rather than venting to him I'd throw some shots out into cyberspace.

Rule one--start early! For you no-civilian rating/no civilian logbook types, here is a conservative guide. Yes...you can jump through your butt and try to do it all 90 days from your retirement/sep date, but even if you get a class date when you get out (not likely) you will at least be suffering a lot more stress than necessary.

Network--3 YEARS out. Keep a list of bros at the airlines. Send those Christmas cards...and emails. Visit. Ask about the lifestyle. Learn. Listen.

2 years-18 months out. Get the ATP. Now. Its less than 2 grand, and you KNOW you have to have it. Why are you still waiting? Turn your trip to the FBO or ALL ATPs into a family vacation if you must, but stop stalling. Apply to EVERYONE that is accepting apps. Don't get picky now...get picky when you have 2-3 offers. You may be from Dallas, but if Southwest Airlines isn’t hiring when you separate you'll feel stupid for not applying to Delta, Jetblue, or Fedex. Delta may be your first choice, but would you pass a year on the line at another to wait? What if your favorite company has a hiring freeze?

Need an online recommendation? Don’t put your friends in a square corner. If you are trying to get someone to help, send them your info. If you are trying to connect a friend so someone else, take the candidates info and pass it on to the potential sponsor and let the sponsor initiate contact. Most folks will gladly help you, but they'd prefer to initiate the process rather than being put "on the spot". I've never turned down a request for help, but the courtesy is always appreciated.

18months- 1 year out. Get the FE written. Don't want to work at FDX or UPS? Do it anyway...things may change. You can buy the book, study a week, and pay 50 bucks to take the test at a test center. It is cheap insurance.

1 year-6 months out...update your resume. Put a professional message on your home machine. Get a nice email ([email protected], etc) but ([email protected]) or ([email protected]). You’d be stunned at some of the email addresses I’ve seen on resumes. Don’t be “that guy…”

Save some leave. You may need it for a job fair, or to visit a company at the invitation of someone already on the property.

Lose the attachment to holidays, special occasions, etc. Don't skip a May interview for a vacation, or a June shot for an (optional) TDY. Go to the first interview offered (you should be ready by now). Ditto the first class offered. One guy at FDX skipped a class for his wedding. He spent his honeymoon, plus the next 20 month, waiting without a FDX job in the pool. Cost? 2 years of longevity, health insurance, and a myriad of other benefits. Airlines have a habit of cancelling/delaying classes, so deciding the "next" one would be a better fit might haunt you a long time. Your seniority number will be with you for the rest of your professional life.

What about that retirement you planned for June 10? Airline X offered you a June 2 class. You told Wing/Squadron you'd be there through the ORI, and your retirement ceremony invites are already out.... My take: 2 weeks after you leave the base, nobody will even be mentioning your name. The ORI is history, your party is old news, and nobody cares. However, for the next 17 years, you are 10-24 numbers junior to some guys because you didn't want to "inconvenience" a group of guys who really don't even care that much about what happens after you leave. That may mean the difference in getting your domicile, your upgrade, or the "cherry" line you have been trying to get since you got on the property. I know a captain who missed getting his old MD-11 captain seat back by ONE number after a displacement bid at our airline. How would you like to be haunted by an extra week at the squadron fifteen years later? How important is that holiday REALLY? You don’t want to have regrets the next 15, 20, or 25 years. It might also mean the difference in being furloughed if things turned south...

If asking for a letter of recommendation, I recommend writing a draft of a letter and then emailing or giving a copy of disc to person you want to write it. Now they can either personalize it or re-write it, but they aren't knee deep in having to write YOU a product on their busy schedule. Real compensation for a major airline pilot is pretty high per hour...think about what your bill would be if they were "billing" you for their time. Make their job easy.

Diet...1 year out. 6 week crash diets will only have you stressed, hungry, and irritatble when you show up. Get your suit fitted but leave a little "slack" for a 5 pound rebound.

Suits, shirts, shoes, ties....3-6 months out. Wear them a few times...get used to standing up in a suit (vice flightsuit) and make sure those new shoes don't squeak when you walk down the quiet hall.

Want interview prep? Great! Call early. Don't call 24 hours prior and say "I heard you can help out..." (yes, it happens more than you might think...) You should be ready to go 2-3 months out....done...ready...excited. Save the last minute flailing for your competition.

Last—some advice. If you are separating vice retiring, find a way to stay in the Guard or Reserve component. There will be plenty of days you remember why you got out in the first place, and after a few years at your airline you’ll be giving up some pay when you perform your duty. Do it anyway. I have yet to meet a pilot who regretted hanging on and making the sacrifice to stay involved in the total force. When the economy hiccups, or things get tight financially, having that other job can be a real family saver. Most of us who have done both jobs a while will recommend living at your Guard base, or your airline domicile, but try not to commute to both. There are exceptions to every rule, but the ability to drill at home or sit reserve in your hometown make the task of doing two jobs well possible. The balancing act gets harder if you must commute to both. I personally chose to stay in my hometown and commute to my airline, so my family wife could keep her career and our family could maintain our social network.

No matter what your situation—retiring or separating you need a place to live. Your life is about to have a lot of changes…a new job, new friends, and new challenges. However, you have time—don’t be in a huge rush. No matter how much outside reflection you’d had on your new career, until you try it out you still may not know where to make your new home. You need to know what to be the best fit for your family. Sometimes just starting your new job and giving it 6-12 months to see how it really feels is the best move you can make. I have known several pilots who immediately rushed into buying a home in a domicile city, only to retreat and sell out to move a couple years later. You’ve been on the military’s pace the last few years—enjoy the fact you can now slow down, reflect, and decide when and where YOU want to put down your new roots. It’s a big decision, and one you haven’t been allowed to make on your own before. Give yourself the luxury of a little time to make sure you make a decision that best fits your family.
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Old 02-24-2013, 05:07 PM
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I'm a military pilot prepping for the Mil to Airline transition but still have a few years until retirement. Obviously it would be best to be hired and go directly from active duty to an airline, but can it hurt to have an app in too early? In other words, is there any downside to putting in apps a year or year and a half out and list when I'll be available to start training?
Most apps have a "when are you available to start" on them.

Also, many look how long your app has been on file, as well as how often it's been updated. At FedEx, "back in the day" when they had the Sponsor/CP/meet and greet, the amount of updates was looked at. DAL also looks at update frequency.

Apply, and update, shows interest.
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Old 02-24-2013, 06:11 PM
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Nope, it's a check of a container.
I think you mean BOX.
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Old 02-24-2013, 07:20 PM
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Crewdawg - Good words, thanks for sharing. If Albief15 is the same former Eagle driver that runs an interview course, a few guys from my current squadron just attended and had great words for it. It's on my list for job search prep.
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Old 02-24-2013, 08:17 PM
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Yes, Albie15 is that same guy.

And definitely check that BOX.

Every airline app has some sort of "available date" to fill in. It might be "immediate" but in your case "indefinite" or something would be good. In the old days the application with a bunch of updates showed that the guy really wanted to work for that airline. Don't know if that is still the case, but it can't hurt. The worst that happens is you get called early for an interview. Just be honest with your DOS.
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